Phoenix Pirate

[callum]

The thing is phoenix isnt windows or the latest movie its a flight sim that caters for a small niche market compared to other software, If this is allowed to just go unchecked and forces the the phoenix team to stop doing free updates or even stop updates completely what are you going to do then, At least some people can say I tried, just ignoring a problem doesnt mean its going to go away

But.. What can we do? It will be a never ending problem.. Phoenix will introduce a new algorithm.. But that will get cracked again. A continuous loop it will be,.

[Mark_T]

But.. What can we do? It will be a never ending problem..

One thing we can all do very easily is not post threads linking to such products when we find them.

This site gets a lot of attention from the search engines and posting stuff here makes it a lot more likely that searches for the real thing will also bring up these pirate copies as well.

[Gaza07]

Yeah I realise that as said before piracy will never be beaten but at least if we report what we see it might help, It has to be better than just letting it happen under our noses, if I see it on ebay I will report it, it only takes a few seconds, Im sure non of us want the phoenix guys to quit because its easier to nick it, just my opinion

[Mslater]

its a old version with a switchable dongle with uses dip switchs to program the dongle ,thats why u can use it on reflex aswell .
seen these myself in HK last yr ,have reported to ebay just now .
this will not work with any version over 2.3 i think as the new software will not find the dongle

Dead right !

About 14 months ago when I was starting in the hobby I bought one of these thinking it was the real thing but cheap from HK.

It came with a home created CD rom with a really early version of Phoenix on. It worked but as soon as I ran the update it killed the product saying please connect a valid controller.

The connectors included were absolutely garbage and the unit basically fell apart in a couple of days anyway. Ended up taking it to my local shop and got a proper copy, I think they gave it to the rep.

[Gaza07]

One thing we can all do very easily is not post threads linking to such products when we find them.

This site gets a lot of attention from the search engines and posting stuff here makes it a lot more likely that searches for the real thing will also bring up these pirate copies as well.

Well I posted the link here with the intention of reporting them and getting the ad removed, I have reported two ebay sellers tonight and will always do so when ever I find one selling dodgy copys

[Mark_T]

Well I posted the link here with the intention of reporting them and getting the ad removed, I have reported two ebay sellers tonight and will always do so when ever I find one selling dodgy copys

Good for you in reporting them, but you don't need to post the link here to do it and it would be helpful to remove the link from the first post anyway to reduce proliferation.

[Mslater]

Just looking down the user history, the seller MAY be unaware that the product is a fake - he also might be fully aware but in any case I just sent him a PM through Ebay - So he definately knows now.

Since the user had 100% positive feedback on many other items I thought best to give the benefit of doubt initially.

[Gaza07]

Good for you in reporting them, but you don't need to post the link here to do it and it would be helpful to remove the link from the first post anyway to reduce proliferation.

Very good point link now removed

[cjcj1949]

I can't believe things have got this bad. To have it openly on sale with software included and online updates. We used to get cheap Japanese copies a long time ago, then they got better and destroyed our bike industry. The Chinese will probably be complaining in the future about someone else stealing their ideas. I hope enough people keep buying the real thing to keep them improving the sim. Phoenix do have a good product though and I'm sure they'll continue to grow. I wonder how much it will cost us though?

Chris

[saxmanpaul]

Cough, own house should be in order.

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/sale/49550-lots-sale.html

[Smoothound]

He's not the only one either...

[nitromad]

i agree that phoenix rc should be supported by people buying real copy's but the sad fact is this sort of stuff been going on for years we talking 20+ the internet just made it 1000 times easyer when it was made cheaply to common people.

only way i can see is free updates via HTTPS login or like.

i remember an game called settlers 7 u had to got online before u could play even single player to make account etc enter vaild key thats matched on there server then game is playable. it made an lot of noise about having u "unlock" the game but its works as far as copying went as the "cracking" of the game was far more advanced than the normal "cut and paste" fixes.

i reckon setup an server login u got setup account validate an serial key or digital code of the usb interface once registered thats "key" then locked out as used or "registered" to you and then u just login for online and updates.

from over years best way to beat copyers or put people off using them is to add the above type of system its redues the use-abity of an copy version and no online and the good old fear of the "call home" (program talking with servers) .

i do love phoenix rc and its nice and cheap but i would pay just an little bit more if they wanted to add better protection for their software.

thanks
gavin

[saxmanpaul]

No matter how you protect software the more popular the software the quicker the patches /cracks will be released. Being a developer myself with a major software title with cracks released I know this from experience. I gave up trying in the end as the you can spend way to mucjh time focusing on protection rather than updates.

There for this forum to allow the sale of a non leggit dongle is poor IMHO.