phoenix raptors available

[Ade_Law]

also fixer, setup, headspeed gyro setup etc etc are all correct in the sim. this is probably not the case for your heli

which is probably the difference your seeing

Ade

[Nutz]

I also noticed that the Raptor 30 on the sim is unstable for the sim physics, if you do some FFFF the tail goes mad and the sim crash saying model unstable, and that is with out touching any of the settings.

Maybe a 30 ain't suppoed to be flown that fast

[3DJIM]

The raptor 30 had a tail fix, re download and install it.

Jim.

[ChrisB]

Installed the 3D 50

Has it got the black paddles with lead lining,,nice model but its flip rate is terribly SLOOOOOWWWWWW

Or is it my PC as usual


Nice model though,i will just tweak it to feel like my Rappy 50

[ChrisB]

SORRY,DOH,CANCEL THAT,WHO`S A SILLY BOY THEN

Other half has been playing with my 3810 set up for the sim


um,,,,



40% atv on Aeileron and Elevator,,


and


um

30% expo also,,,Tx readjusted and it flips like a ba$tard now

[Sesame]

Just spotted the raptors on the download page cool. excellent listening to you lot talking about them.

Now just got to wait to get home to play with the new models.

[Disc]

I've seen 3dBasher have his raptor at about head height inverted with hands completely off the sticks.....must be in the setup

thats when I know myset ups really suck.... he just looks at my machines points at all the bits and then I don't fly


After a few mins with him my machine's are setup rock solid.

[ajenkins]

I still get the "Aircraft is unstable" error message from Phoenix when flying the Raptor 30, even with the re-downloaded heli. I'm not sure how to reproduce it since it's only happened two or three times, but I think it's when the heli is moving fast. Is that supposed to be simulating some real heli behavior, or is it just a bug?

It's a bit weird in either case to get that message, with three choices: Edit Aircraft, Choose Aircraft, Exit Phoenix. After all, if I fail to pull out of a loop with my heli in time, I don't get a similar message telling me Phoenix has determined that my heli is underpowered or doesn't have sufficient control throws. It just crashes and resets. It seems to me that if the simulator is trying to model some kind of instability that happens when the heli gets going too fast, it should just show it shaking and then crashing.

Which reminds of another unrealistic thing in Phoenix. All the planes seem to have no structural limits in the air. I can dive as long as I want and pull out with full elevator and the plane just does it. My real planes would probably snap a wing if I did that.

The raptors in Phoenix are definitely nice though; makes me want to buy a real one.

[Ade_Law]

i have yet to be able to repeat this unstable model. very strange...

EDIT: however i have noticed something left over from testing (oops)

set tail fin area to 0.2 and it behaves like a 401 should on a raptor 30.

Ade

[Sesame]

You guys with experience will be able to tell me. but are the differences between the 30 and the 50's really that big on the real things.

The 30 really does seem a stumbling beast the 50 sport is nice and stable and the 50 3D is a skittish little thing.

[Ade_Law]

yeh 30s are crap

Ade

[Sesame]

yeh 30s are crap

Ade

bugger, anyone wanna buy a 30, their really good

[Axel40]

Nothing wrong with a 30, Phoenix just doesn't model it to great...err...does that make phoenix crap

[Ade_Law]

how does the phoenix 30 differ from your own 30?

Ade

[3dbasher]

the 50 3d's about spot on