Glut of Reflex XTR On eBay

[synergyn9]

I've had both Phoenix and Reflex XTR for a while. But just stopped using Reflex as much preferred Phoenix.

I've just sold it on eBay for £80 so well happy as that will pay for Phoenix

Probably could of got more if I was willing to be patient, but £80 was what I wanted and £80 was what I got on a Buy it Now

However I can't believe the number on eBay at the mo, must be 8 copies on there, so the Phoenix word must be spreading.

So if you want to buy Phoenix by selling your Reflex I should do it quick as everyone seems to be getting in on the act!

[Chippy]

Hi synergyn9

Could you please tell me why you think phoenix is better than reflex as I am using reflex at the moment.

Thanks Andy.

[synergyn9]

Don't get me wrong, I flew Reflex for a year and a half and still have no great complaints with it.

However the last update seemed to run far slower on my computer, so following advice on here I decided to give Phoenix ago, and I just really like it.

Things I like about it in no particular order:

1) Physics feels far better than Reflex particulary since the last update
2) Has an excellent Synergy N9 model (even has same canopy as mine, thanks BobJ! )
3) Doesn't have the annoying stripey out of bounds bit
4) Is not a resource hog, able to play MP3's whilst flying, love that!
5) Great customer service
6) Frequent updates
7) Rumoured soon to be multi player , will then be able to see what Ade Laws flying is really like!
8) Great price
9) Far easier than Reflex to tweak models
10) No USB issues unlike Reflex
11) Blade noise is nice
12) Autorotations seem more realistic
13) You can't beat hovering inverted an inch above water!!
14) Good variation of scenery
15) Also heard the plank flying is good, but don't do that so don't really know
16)....

Could go on, but as you can tell there are many things I like, it has really kept me sane during this recent crap weather.

To reiterate, however I do like Reflex, just wasn't flying it, so couldn't justify keeping it

[Chippy]

Ok thanks synergyn9,your right about them dam red stripey things,all they have done is limited me to just one flying scenery so the rest are just a bl--dy waste of time,shame because there are some nice ones.
So for a novice which one would you say is better but i realise you cant beat real stick time.

Thanks Andy.

[synergyn9]

For a novice both will teach you the basic stick functions and enable you to start to develop the necessary reactions and to become comfortable in various orientations

If I had neither now, I would undoubtably buy Phoenix, the program is newer, is less of a resource hog and has a development team behind it that is keen to improve the product and who respond to issues quickly.

If you were to ask me "Should I sell Reflex and buy Phoenix with the money from the sale?", I'm afraid only you can answer that. Maybe more people who have or have had both will chip in on this thread.

[Chippy]

Ok thanks synergyn9, I think I will stick with reflex for now as it has taught me a lot and still is.

Thanks for your input

Cheers Andy.

[Ade_Law]

one thing to remember, reflex has pretty much stood still since XTR, few updates but nothing to fix any of the physics issues that were raised early on.

so with reflex if you sell it for what phoenix costs you. your not just buying the best sim on the market now. I firmly believe it will continue to improve and maintain that too.

the phoenix updates that are done are largely based on customer feedback.

as you can see there is a glut of xtrs on ebay etc. Its only a matter of time before the second hand value of xtr drops off at which point phoenix will not be a free upgrade :-(

7) Rumoured soon to be multi player , will then be able to see what Ade Laws flying is really like!

thats no rumour. multiplayer will be in version 1.04

15) Also heard the plank flying is good, but don't do that so don't really know

http://www.3drc.info/3drcdb/viewtopi...=2372&start=15

if you ignore the comments from the one gallon wonders and people that have never flown phoenix you get the true storey. NFJ, is a well known planker won a bunch of competitions and prefers it to AFPD which is the current acknowledged best fixed wing sim.

Ade

[synergyn9]

Ade, thanks for confirming the multiplayer in 1.04, can't wait

[Chippy]

Thanks Ade for your input,it was the online bit that caught my eye on another thread but am still undecided.
Will it really benefit me to sell xtr and buy phoenix as i am a novice if so how?

Chhers Andy (nearly Drunk)

[Ade_Law]

at this precise moment, probably not.

with multiplayer definitley.

and later on in your learning curve too.

so whilst it might not make a massive difference at the moment. it is a worthwhile in the long term...

the longer you wait the less your reflex is worth.

Ade

[Grale]

I also sold XTR for £85 buy now within the hour on ebay three weeks ago, not one regret

Bought Phoenix and £1.89 change left in my paypal account! as Ade says xtr has stood still for too long now, i was bored and fustrated with xtr, and their customer support.
Phoenix is the better sim without any doubt, having no out of bounds box was all it took for me to convert, that was so annoying and unrealistic in xtr, the modeling tweaking in phoenix is great, esp for the noobs, much more friendly interface.

So anyone thinking of doing the swap, don't think just do it!

P.S just noticed the guy i sold xtr to, is selling it again on ebay!!

[Kwickkwack]

I recently sold Reflex for £80 which covered the cost of Phoenix, and have to say as a inexperienced flyer,for me Phoenix is closer to flying the real thing than Reflex, it runs smoothly on my laptop, and has some interesting scenery, love dipping the heli in the water and flying away, (wouldnt dream of trying it for real), so from one who has switched a big thumbs up

[ChrisB]

I loved XTR big time,i didnt take to Phoenix initially as i was so used to XTR

After spending a short while with Phoenix as well as sorting out a PC issue i was having i realised it blows XTR clean out of the water...

Sold my XTR for £80 as many have

Phoenix in my opinion has better graphics,vastly improved physics,better support by the developers,more user friendly and with the proposed online use as well as the developers other input i think its a no brainer really..

I have owned ar used most of the sims available today to some degree and Phoenix is in a league of its own...

I cannot recommend the simulator highly enough


For the online can we have some games for fun,,aerial combat and RC buggies too,then we can have stunts galore

Not what its designed for i know but it would be a bit of fun

[Fixer]

My XTR is on eBay now, I would also like to buy Phoenix using pay-pal so could someone post the link.

[ChrisB]

www.phoenix-sim.com

Also most retailers sell it and skyline have it