Why is my real heli more stable?

[sabre2]

Hi

I have a Mini Titan which, just occasionally, I get to fly. I also have Phoenix, which I use more often. One significant difference I find is the rate at which the Phoenix model will pick up speed in a hover. I don't mean full-throttle stick banger drag racing, just sedate boating around like someone practicing for a BMFA test. The Phoenix model seems to go from stationary to too-fast very quickly, as though there were insufficient inertia, or air friction, or something.

By contrast I can happily fly the real thing in my (modest) back garden, confident that it will pick up speed in a controlled fashion. Does anyone else have this impression of Phoenix, or just me? What can I change to alter the behaviour?

Cheers
John

[GravityKills]

same here. In Phoenix, the air is more slippery than usual.

A simple solution: Use a .90 in Phoenix (N9, Vibe 90, T-Rex 700, Aurora etc).
Often, I even turn down simulator speed to 50 %. It's an excellent way to practise.

BUT: This doesn't mean that you can't hover Phoenix on the spot. Just the opposite. You can do the standard F3C hovered moves in Phoenix. It's clearly much more difficult than in reality (for me), but it is possible.

[trillian]

Hmmmm, come to think of it you may be right.

I have been practising a little of the lazy 8's and having a hard time in Phoenix due to what you're describing, it picks up speed very quickly.
And this is with the Raptor 30 in Phoenix.

But I guess for sake of conjecture it may force you to be even more controlled.

[Delta7]

I too find it like this, one good thing about it though, as when you do fly your real models it's a lot easier, so practising on phoenix can only be a good thing, because if you can do it on there you should be able to in real life right ! ??

[tiddler]

Does this mean I could fly 3D for real then

[chemicalbro]

tiddler if you can do it on phoenix you could give it a damn good try for real.... just do it HIGH


its all just down to the bottle factor

[tiddler]

tiddler if you can do it on phoenix you could give it a damn good try for real.... just do it HIGH


its all just down to the bottle factor

Yeah but it'll have to wait till I get another more suitable heli as my Innovator is not set up with any negative pitch, and anyway I don't think an MD530 would look right doing tick tocks

[GravityKills]

If you can do 3D in Phoenix for 10 seconds before crashing I'm sure you'll manage a couple of seconds in real life before the crash
Obviously, 3D is all about not crashing. According to what I see in Phoenix Multiplayer, many people seem to completely disregard this fact. Piroflip-crash-piroflip-crash-piroflip-crash-... isn't exactly 3D in my book.

But, again: It is possible to over steadily in Phoenix. You can do slow and round circles/figure 8s in Phoenix. It's all a matter of practise.

I use two different dual-rate settings on the Tx. Aileron and elevator are around 60 % with a 3D heli for circles / figure 8s etc. Otherwise the stick movements get too small.

...and anyway I don't think an MD530 would look right doing tick tocks

that would turn eyes for sure
Keep in mind, the Innovator isn't the world's most aggressive heli. It's designed so that it's easy to fly. That may also explain, why Phoenix is more difficult than your real heli.

[Ashley Davis]

what you are experiencing is the problem of perspective. On a screen things tend to get smaller more quickly as you fly around, so it 'looks' faster than it actually is.

The way to reduce it's acceleration and top speed is to increase the frontal drag.

[sabre2]

what you are experiencing is the problem of perspective. On a screen things tend to get smaller more quickly as you fly around, so it 'looks' faster than it actually is.

The way to reduce it's acceleration and top speed is to increase the frontal drag.

I agree there's definitely an element of that; coupled with the lack of depth perception - the only clue that the heli is 'on the move' is it changing size on the screen, and by the time you pick this up, it's already tramping along. But when it's moving left to right (or vice versa) across the screen, this effect doesn't come in to play, and yet the 'skiddy' effect still seems to be there, which suggests there's more going on than just depth perception.

I too find a 90 about right for mimicing the stability of the mini titan. Which is nice - saves the expense and noise of actually running a 90!

John

[Streetluge Chris]

I was told at the club that the Raptor 30 is not that good and to use the 50 which flys like the 30 in realtime.
But I can do lots with the Aurora and to me seems easy to fly and I am Rubbish.Love It