How much like the real thing ?

[Gt450s]

Hi Guy's,

I have been 'playing' with phonix for a few days now. Never having flown R/C before I thought it best to thrash the sim and leave the Raptor Totan in the relative safety of the back bedroom

Anyway, waht I want to know is how realistic is phoenix compared to the real thing. I started on the EasyFly50 and then went over to the Knight50, needless to say the change over saw far more 'events' on the Knight50 than on the Easyfly50

But having got to grips with hovering and flying around the Knight50 I switched back to the EasyFly50 and can't believe how easy it is with those traing legs on

Will my Raptor Titan be anywhere near that stable with the traing legs on ?

M.

[Thomas]

When it comes to hovering and those first steps I reckon the real thing is easier than the SIM. It's when you progress a bit the sim becomes easier, as the fear factor is not there and your finger don't tremble quite as much - you'll also have a perfectly sut up heli with no weather conditions to worry about on Phoenix.

[Ade_Law]

the easyfly is artificially easy to fly. the raptor will depend on what servos gyro etc it has and how well it is setup

Ade

[ajenkins]

the easyfly is artificially easy to fly.

Do you mean that the Easyfly is easier than any real single rotor heli model? Or are there actual models one could buy that fly like the Easyfly? Is the Easyfly perhaps like a co-axial heli such as the Blade CX? Thanks,

Adam

[ChrisB]

Most sims are only good for learning the hand eye co ordination

The feel can be a bit iffy with most of them

Valuable tools though

[Ade_Law]

i would argue against that chris its more than that.

the easy fly is a lot more like the bigger stuff than the coaxials but are definitely easier than the real thing.

Ade

[ChrisB]

What i mean is that its like learning to drive a car really,a car is a car

If you can drive you can pretty much drive any car,sure they will all feel and handle differently but its basically the same principal

Theres no doubt that each sim has a different feel to it and i prefer Phoenix as an overall package but i never really worry too much about how the model feels on there..

As long as it does what i tell it to and feels accurate enough then its fine..

All of my models feel right to me,they handle the way i want them to etc and the Knight 50 or Rex 600 on Phoenix feel OK also

But i still see the sim as a hand eye learning tool,it will not replicate having a Knight 50 buzzing in front of you belching out smoke(if you use magnum )etc

[Ghost]

As a real first timer into heli`s i decided to buy the Sim everyone raves about on here found it an excellent learning -TOOL- the same as you wondered what the feel between the sim and real flight would be.

On the sim i am very confident doing all sorts with all the models there, i could not wait for better weather so i bought something fun the indoor twister bell 47 to have fun and learn more control.

Well thumbs up for Pheonix because i have not crashed at all but i must say even though the twister does fly itself (it really does) when i first took of and went nose in etc i could have been holding a brick in my hand not a tx because i forgot all my training for a few seconds, its all down to the fear/fun factor and im loving every moment.

Now i am going for rex 600

[ajenkins]

I just received PhoenixRC a couple of days ago. Being an experienced RC airplane flier, but inexperienced at helis, one thing that surprised me is that most of the helis, especially the scale helis, are very easy for me to fly in forward flight. If anything they're maybe easier than planes. I can fly them around indefinitely doing low passes, high bank turns, pirouette turns, loops, etc. Of course I still find hovering quite difficult, which means many flights end badly once I try to land. Also, I have more trouble with some of the performance helis, especially the ones setup with a heading hold gyro, and with the Spark micro heli, since then I really need to fly the tail more.

My question is, are helis really this easy to fly in forward flight, or does the simulator not simulate FF flight as well as hovering? Or are some models in the simulator more realistic than others? I found the performance helis harder to fly, so I thought maybe more time was spent tuning those models, but even most of those are pretty easy in forward flight.

Just to be clear, I'm not meaning to brag; I still can't hover well at all, which I realize is an essential skill before I could fly a real model heli, but I was just surprised at how stable the helis in the sim are once they're in forward flight, and am curious about whether that's accurate.

[David Drew]

Well, I'm a relative beginner, and I can do lots of things on the sim, BUT the old knees start knocking & the bottle goes when it's real £££££££&#163 ;!!

I'm just going to use the hols to get past some private barriers. Do it on the sim....& then go & do it for real.

Not really answering your question, but for my money the sim is easier.

Enjoy

David

[gazza]

I find phoenix slightly easier in forward flight than the real thing, the helis seem to track better but then again my Swift may also track better if I had decent carbon blades fitted & not the stock woodies.

Hovering is pretty much spot on with the sim, although I find piros easier & the heli doesnt seem to wander as much as the real thing when doing stationary piros??

I edit each model so that hovering stability is 90% & ground effect set to 100%..This seems to help with realism.

The last time I actually flew the Swift properly at a flying field & not just hovering around my garden was weeks ago.

So having spent weeks on the sim instead due to work/weather etc I took the Swift out for a proper fly around today.

Oh my god what a difference I was throwing it round the sky doing things I wouldnt dare do before Phoenix. I was totally confident in having the model much further away from me than ever before & flying the heli nose in even at speed I felt much more confident & in control.
Sure, the nerves where there but I felt I'd found a new confident skill I didnt think was there! I was even flying the heli in circles in front of myself and not 'Around' myself like before. Amazing feeling!

I actually felt like I was flying the heli & it wasnt flying me for a change

I walked away with a big smile on my face & felt very pleased with myself & feel I've made some real progress.

That is 1000% down to Phoenix & thats that.

[Ade_Law]

a good fixed winger wont have a problem with a heli once they wake up their left hand. if you do lots of 3d on planes it will be easier as your used to flying the model around on the rudder a lot more.

strongly recomend using HH and getting used to it. Not having HH will hold you back later on in the learning curve.

Ade

[3dbasher]

its helped me loads with fixed wing 3D as could already fly 3d with heli's... although its easy compared to helis

[ajenkins]

a good fixed winger wont have a problem with a heli once they wake up their left hand. if you do lots of 3d on planes it will be easier as your used to flying the model around on the rudder a lot more.

strongly recomend using HH and getting used to it. Not having HH will hold you back later on in the learning curve.

Ade

Good to know. I guess I just imagined forward flight would somehow be just as hard as hovering on helis, partly because I've seen it written in several places that RC airplane experience isn't much of a help when it comes to helis. It would seem that it's more accurate to say that RC plane experience probably won't help all that much with hovering or 3D flying, but forward flight will feel pretty familiar, especially with heading hold turned off.

[Gaza07]

I to feel the sim has helped me with my heli flying, it deff made me feel much more confident its been worth every penny
Ive flown fixed wing for quite a few years and also use the rudder quite a lot,
For prop hanging stall turns knife edging and just general messing about

Once i actualy built up the nerve to fly the heli round the field it soon came obvious the years of plane flying would be helpfull as i found doing circuits so easy,
Turns done with the rudder and cyclic were no problem and the heli looked good banking into the turns