Phoenix 2.5 beta is out

[ivor-bigen]

I agree there all way over powerd but as Ashley says, edit them to reduce the power.
I spent some time last night tweeking one on there and its starting to feel more realistic.
I found all the models i tryed are over powerd, even the basic logo 500 as standard flys like its on a 10s setup.
I droped the Extreem vairent lift tuneing to 80, feels a little more life like.
The online side of it though was really good, runs really well for me.
on the previous update i could only run with 3 players max to keep it running nice with no lag. last night i was in a server with 5 pilots and it was running sweet.
At the end of the day this is a Beta test so we must all expect there to be some issues with the update, the models being over powerd is really a small issue.

[Ashley Davis]

the problem with model power is that no matter what Phoenix do it will never be like your own model, this doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it different to your model. They could drop the power down on everything and I guarantee the feedback would be they are all under powered. It's one of those no win scenarios.

[ivor-bigen]

At the end of the day i dont mind tweeking them down, its a small price to pay, for beter online play.
and as i said its a beta so the end product could be different.
we will have to wait and see.

[Janek]

Haven't downloaded the new beta version yet, not had time, but looking forward to it.

Reading all the comments, particularly about over powered models etc. and tweaking the settings, the following concern springs to mind. One of the biggest User groups for a simulator is the rank beginner, therefore the model that should be shown at start up, should be a rank beginners model, all set up and ready for them to go, they should be able to load the software, set-up the Tx, and fly, no messing about. We have to make the assumption that "experts" will quickly find their was around and get a model more to their liking, alternatively maybe a question should be asked right at the start-up about the Users skill level ?, to determine what start up model is given.

[puzom]

Hi,

Janel that would perhaps be a nice option, to set some of skill level.

But perhaps the system your run the sim on or the TX are also a (big) factor in how well a heli reacts. I mean, some people post their variant and they say it's really is quick. Yet many report it is actually really slow Been there myself.

ivor-bigen seen your Mikado Logo 400 Vbar clip and looks powerful too

Cheers!

[Ashley Davis]

Phoenix are in the habit of providing different variants (beginner, sport, 3D) so that option on some (not all) models is there.

[puzom]

Phoenix are in the habit of providing different variants (beginner, sport, 3D) so that option on some (not all) models is there.

True but if those variants are too powerful a beginner does not see this.
Tricky to find a solution for this I think. All such a personal feeling.

[Janek]

Phoenix are in the habit of providing different variants (beginner, sport, 3D) so that option on some (not all) models is there.

The point I was trying to make, is that the default model given at start up, should fly reasonably well for a rank beginner. They shouldn't have to pick and choose anything, and certain not have to worry about getting into detailed set-up.

All they want to do it learn to hover . . . . . . . . (we've all been there )

To be frank, initially they'll be too stupid to know anything

[Ashley Davis]

isn't that what the Ezfly model is for on the sim, all setup really docile?

[Made2Fade]

isn't that what the Ezfly model is for on the sim, all setup really docile?

Similar point too what i would make... in the real world a beginner wouldnt start off on a trex 700/avant aurrora or the likes. Same principle should be taken in the sim, use one of the models that are more docile and specific to training... ie Ezfly or even the raptor 30 etc Advance on to the bigger 3D models as you get better (just as you would in reality).

[Janek]

isn't that what the Ezfly model is for on the sim, all setup really docile?

Maybe. . . . . but that's not the initial model given at start up. . . which is my point

Next question is. . . . . Who's the User ?, Heli flyer or Plank flier ?, therefore should the initial model be an easy heli, or an easy plank ?

Can you tell I'm a computer business analyst ?

[Made2Fade]

Well maybe they should make that decision on what type of model your using in the TX?

[HiroboFreak]

the model parameters are all there for you to edit, you think it's overpowered, go edit it to make it how you want it, the default models are representations of how others feel their machines fly, if yours doesn't fly like that then that's why the model editing parameters are there. The main parameters you would need to change are the model power and cyclic loading.

the problem with model power is that no matter what Phoenix do it will never be like your own model, this doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it different to your model. They could drop the power down on everything and I guarantee the feedback would be they are all under powered. It's one of those no win scenarios.

Ashley,

I understand that you can edit the model parameters, but the problem is that I can't find a balance between power & realistic loading.

I have played with engine power, model weight, induced cyclic power loss, & many more parameters but still can't find a happy medium.
I can get it to load nicely during lateral tic-tocs for example, but then at that same setting it overloads in normal tic-tocs, yet won't load during hurricanes with the sticks in the corners.

There's more to it than just tweaking the parameters in my opinion.

The last version (2.00n) was much more realistic for both the "standard" models & the editable parameters.

I realise this is a beta, & that you & Ade (& maybe more of you) have associations with PhoenixRC.
Consider my comments as feedback.

[Janek]

Consider my comments as feedback.

And mine to, sorry if it sounds like I'm "beating" you up, that's not what I'm trying to do, but maybe that's how it's coming across

[raptorheli2]

it's defo the best update yet they have released.

i have a weird problem that the pos pitch seems very biased on the trex 700 especially. i keep having to put on neg pitch a lot longer than i should have to to keep position, it maybe a setting i have somewhere causing it.

on the plus side the online seems to just work now, crack is whack!

the planes if anyone cares are just silly, AFPD is still the best plane sim on the market imho.

cheers