Phoenix 3d clinic a possibility?

[LipolyGone]

Hi guys after reading trevs 3dx training day post I was thinking would it be possible to run a 3D clinic on phoenix multiplayer?
I would love to become more proficient at 3d but due to my rural location I never get to see it being performed & hence am unable to ask questions of people on how they actualy perform even the simple moves.
I am in need to learn grass roots 3d.
Simple things like how to do a manageable tictoc how to execute return moves ie turn moves how to manage a series of flips in all orientations how to do rainbows etc how to reduce the space I fly in.
Anyone have any ideas how us low level pilots can learn? so if & when the next 3D training day presents itself maybe we could have the courage to feel we could enter without feeling inept & foolish
Martin

[HiltonSteve]

What a bloody good idea!

It would be good for those more experienced pilots to give us lesser mortals a few lessons, they did with me on phoenix when i first started and it without it I think I would have given up a long time ago.

[Ade_Law]

i tried a couple of 3d training sessions but gave up, it simply isnt reliable enough :-(

Ade

[chugga-bug]

Yeah it's a great idea in theory. I tried joining a few of Ade's sessions but just couldn't fly cos of the lag. IF Phoenix ever get online flying to work it'd be a fantastic way to learn/improve.

[HiltonSteve]

I have been hosting a few sessions just lately with very little lag and not too many problems but I did build a new pretty high spec PC just before xmas, a quad core watercooled beast that just runs any program or game without trying and a new install of vista ultimate 64 bit. Maybe that has something to with it, who knows!

Usually phoenix crash's once after about 5-10 mins, restart and then leave it on all night even after I have gone to bed if people are still flying, then switch it off in the morning.

I have just not seen the online problems that everyone seems to be complaining about.

I will get a session going tonight about 6 ish and leave it running all night, i will set max users to 4.

I will be on and off all evening until about 10.00ish when missus goes to bed then i usually have a couple of hours.

I will call it - Heliaddicts 3D clinic
Password - heliclinic

Logon and see how you get on with the lag and reliability issues if you get chance.

[Edders]

I think its all to do with what I said at the begining. using a centrally managed server for connections makes phoenix server the week link.

until they allow direct connections I dont think you'll ever get away from the Lag side of it


Edders

[HiltonSteve]

Well i put the session up anyway, just post on here how good or bad it is.

Session name - Helliaddicts 3D clinic
Password - heliclinic

Will be on all evening.

[HiltonSteve]

Just had Sao and Aidi on, Sao had a steady ping of 30-40ms with very little lag but Aidi had a ping ranging from 60-800!

Must have something to do with connection speeds or hardware at the client end but not sure yet.

[Aidi]

Yep, managed to connect to the session, think i might have had something downloading in the background which would explain my ping. Ill shut it down and try again a bit later.

Cheers
Aidi

[LipolyGone]

does it lag that bad if say 4 people were viewing and one person only flying?

[HiltonSteve]

Just seems to depend on each persons connection speed, my PC should easily be able to handle the processing part and I have a fast broadband connection.

The best I have just seen is 30-40ms from Sao, so in theory everyone should be able to get that if they also have decent connection speeds.

[HiltonSteve]

Just upped the users to a maximum of 8, i want to see if the pings and lag get any worse with more users on.

4 of us there at the moment and pings around 30-50ms

[carpman]

Just tried connecting to 3 different addict sessions and no joy (even tried 10x on heliclinic on ports 9000-9005 ) wot a load of crap and i'm really starting to wonder if phoenix is all its cracked up to be 97% of the time i would say i cant connect to anybodies sessions ........................

Guys i know nothing about ping tests apart from that it tests ur connection speed

wot testers r u running and what details should i be looking for

I did mean the multiplayer side of it

[robgt]

Please don't judge the sim based on it's current problematic implementation of the multiplayer...

The sim is excellent for learning to fly heli's - the multiplayer stuff has issues for sure
I'm led to believe they are working on a complete rewrite of the multiplayer codebase so hopefully that will be properly sorted at some point.
Cheers,
Rob

[Sao]

Just tried connecting to 3 different addict sessions and no joy (even tried 10x on heliclinic on ports 9000-9005 ) wot a load of crap and i'm really starting to wonder if phoenix is all its cracked up to be 97% of the time i would say i cant connect to anybodies sessions ........................

Guys i know nothing about ping tests apart from that it tests ur connection speed

wot testers r u running and what details should i be looking for

There are a couple of things you can try chemical bro says if you start up your own session then close it that sometimes helps get into sessions.
I've found unplugging my tx and or lead when trying to connect gets me in. It's all a bit hit and miss at the moment.
As rob points out it's just the multiplayer thats letting it down at the moment, as a learning tool its certainly one of the best sims out there, now if only we could do blade scrapes like in realflight.....