Phoenix Floaty Feel

[barney]

Since version 2.0 (and before) Iv'e been trying to loose the horrid Floatiness feel of the Trex 600N 3D

The improvement I was looking for is reducing the Main Rotor Dia down to 1.2 in the Main Rotor Menu. This kills that floaty feel.

Pitch is now set +/-13. Hovering Stability 95%.

You just need to tweek the fine Tune/Wind etc and its much better..well IMHO..LOL

SPARTANRC Team pilot

[moyesboy]

the floatiness wouldn't be horrid if a real heli was like that
But we need the helis to be more difficult than real, not loads easier!

[barney]

But we need the helis to be more difficult than real, not loads easier

Come on Moyesboy give me some credit do you really think I would stitch you all up with something as easy peasy and floaty like the current 600N Sim models are. There Horrid..way to easy to fly IMHO. In fact Phoenix in general is _ _ _ _e at the mo.

I hate to admit it but my G4.5 with some tweeking is rather good...

OK the Phoenix 600N my version

The expo on the sliders I suggest makes the model more lively at centre stick

(Not sure whether the expo needs reversed if your use a Futaba Radio with the Sim.. I'm using a DX7 using the Phoenix Fine tune to alter this and not the Tx . .).

The Hovering Stability is now reduced 5%.

The main Rotor Dia is lowered resulting in less overall lift and stops it behaving like a home sick ICBM Missile...(note Phoenix were running 11 deg cause of this prob) The reduction in Dia now allows you to increase the Pitch to +/-13 givings it Pop without the supersonic climb rate.

The hang time at the end of Autos is reduced.

I also suggested you tweek the fine Tune/Wind etc As the Default is well Just Lame (perfect)

A good start is selecting a basic preset wind and pretty much adding 20% of everything inc Thermal/turbulence/gusts/ etc etc

Increasing the Cyclics to about 125% ish is nicer but that depends on what your preferences..At this point I usually get lazy and screw up the Overall Sim Speed.

Having a more lively model to use when Online also seems to be a good idea..but only worth doing if you can get on a session!

Its not perfect but seems a lot sweeter

cheers Brian

[moyesboy]

..I was agreeing with you, not criticising!
I'd like the revised models to be in an externally saved file so we can tweak and then publish our tweaked model. Then Phoenix would actually be getting improved models from their users that they could maybe adopt as the std based on a vote or something?

[barney]

Sorry I miss understood your reply..glad someone else shares my opinions about the out of box performance at the mo..

External files would be a cool idea as would a swap page for models/colour schemes sceenery etc..Off course that only applies if Phoenix promises not to use the same Server as there Online hosting..LOL

[moyesboy]

No need for a server, they just need to make the model settings so you can save them to a file and then send them to eachother. like you can save and send recordings.

By the way the old recording files woud run without the dongle, but the new ones will not.