This ones for Boggy

[jboweruk]

Thanks for these settings Ron, I think I'm finally getting it together, on the sim at least....

[Boggy]

nice one john . if you can do that im amazed you crashed the real one, that flight was spot on well done mate

[jboweruk]

Thanks Ron, it's a lot different on the sim as I found out the hard way. Your settings on the sim made her a twitchy little mare and no mistake, I just hope next flight under supervision is a little more successful.

I'm hoping to check out a local club at the w/end weather permitting, hopefully Asfalloth will be there and we can finish setting her up.

Tell me though, is that really how she flies? I mean those settings made her a real handful, I was beginning to wonder if I could ever fly her or would end up selling her on in favour of a Carson Big CFG.

[cambs flyer]

You rock John.

I stand by my past comment, you'll be a top expert here within a very short time my friend.

My physical problems has all but grounded me for the time being, apart from a little Phoenix practice that's it!

However watching your progress gives me hope and the urge to carry on, when possible.

Very well done sir!

[jboweruk]

Thanks Wayne, I dunno though, it's still the supposedly simple stuff that escapes me, the finesse, I tried doing the figure 8's and stuff that's in the A test tonight, and it slaughtered me to the point that I had to pack it in from frustration. Even using a Rex 700 it just kept getting away from me, and without that simple control over the heli the rest is a moot point. I can make a heli dance to music, I can fly upside down, I can tic toc reasonably well, so why on Earth can't I do a simple figure of 8, or t hover like is in the basic A test?

[cambs flyer]

I'd say you can do all the maneuvers you say are troubling you.

But I'd also say I bet you try them after practicing all the 3D work when the Brain needs a well deserved rest break.

Worry not my friend, from what I've seen, you haven't much to worry about.

[Boggy]

Tell me though, is that really how she flies? I mean those settings made her a real handful, I was beginning to wonder if I could ever fly her or would end up selling her on in favour of a Carson Big CFG.

not really that twitchy john try slowing the servo response down a tad i may have got that a little fast

[ShinOBIWAN]

John this is just my opinion and talk is cheap so take for what it is.

I'm also going on the recording I've seen you post so for all I know you might be practising what I'm suggesting.

Avoid the temptation to play the sim like a game with all the 3D stuff. You don't really learn what you need right now when starting out like that. It keeps you entertained for sure but your learning the wrong thing at the wrong time IMO.

What I'm trying to say is that its pointless learning those things without a thorough grounding in the basics. I'm betting that factored into why you failed first time and it might mean you fail again(I hope you don't though!).

On the sim practise your hover orientations, and really get to the point where your not over controlling the heli as you were in that recording you posted here. To spice things up try slowly moving around and train yourself to be able to position the heli anywhere YOU want it to go. Its pretty boring work I know but you'll be a much better pilot for it in the end.

Slow controlled flying is an art just like fast knife edge 3D is. Its just that they're at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

[jboweruk]

I think some of the problem is I'm flying the sim, when I want to be flying a heli, I'll try to get some decent practice in on the new Buzzfly over the next few days, w/end is still looking up, so I'll put some expo in before flying my big lady. I've accepted long since she'll crash a few times more yet, hence I'm trying to build up spares, trouble is if I start 'club' flying, then I'll quickly outgrow the Blade, lovely as she is, I've already got my eye to something bigger, I'll see how easily I can fly my real one before I decide that, whether I'm better with spares or a bigger heli that's more stable. Then go back to the blade later, a lot of people in various places have said she was the wrong heli to buy for my first 400 class, and if the sim one is anything to go by they may well be right. First on the run tonight is charge the batts for my Buzzfly and hope the shafts for my CX2 have come, then I'll get her flying pretty quickly again.

I think with the Buzz being a twitchy little beggar it'll do me some good, I need that to get my thumbs together as it were.

To add to what I've just said, I seem to lose orientation, the model tips when it's a long way off and I seem not to notice till it's not going where my thumbs are telling it, if that makes sense. It's not until the change in direction that I seem to realise it's not pointed the way it should be.

[ShinOBIWAN]

I think some of the problem is I'm flying the sim, when I want to be flying a heli, I'll try to get some decent practice in on the new Buzzfly over the next few days, w/end is still looking up, so I'll put some expo in before flying my big lady. I've accepted long since she'll crash a few times more yet, hence I'm trying to build up spares, trouble is if I start 'club' flying, then I'll quickly outgrow the Blade, lovely as she is, I've already got my eye to something bigger, I'll see how easily I can fly my real one before I decide that, whether I'm better with spares or a bigger heli that's more stable. Then go back to the blade later, a lot of people in various places have said she was the wrong heli to buy for my first 400 class, and if the sim one is anything to go by they may well be right. First on the run tonight is charge the batts for my Buzzfly and hope the shafts for my CX2 have come, then I'll get her flying pretty quickly again.

I think with the Buzz being a twitchy little beggar it'll do me some good, I need that to get my thumbs together as it were.

To add to what I've just said, I seem to lose orientation, the model tips when it's a long way off and I seem not to notice till it's not going where my thumbs are telling it, if that makes sense. It's not until the change in direction that I seem to realise it's not pointed the way it should be.

The sim has limitations that aren't 1:1 to reality so don't feel bad about this. One thing that could cause your problem is screen resolution. Low res means less pixels, means less detail, means very hard to fly at a distance!

I have a laptop that can just about manage running Phoenix. The screen is 13" 1440x960 but compared to my main monitor, which is 92" 1920x1080, I have a hard time with it.

The bigger the better really can't be overstated enough IMO. I'm into home theater so I drop on lucky with a projector setup that can lend itself to Phoenix very well.



You can do things like use the zoom function within Phoenix but I always turn that off since its once of those reality breaking things. You could try keep the model closer, this might sound like a get out but in fact you'd be learning to control and keep the heli within your comfort zone until your ready to venture further away.

Another trick, and one I suspect is the real deal, is to remember what stick inputs you've put in when the heli is hard to see and make an educated guess for corrections based on what you can see weighed up against what the model and what you thumbs were doing prior to getting a little disorientated. Some patience here is a good thing and don't try to immediately correct but work through the problem using all the variables I mentioned. I've just recently started to use this and it works very well but like everything in this hobby it takes time to learn.

Good luck and keep at it.

[jboweruk]

Trouble is it's not to do with input, it just decides to lean, or at least appears that way, and trying to keep it at walking pace well..... I guess that's why I ended up doing a lot of 3d, as trying the slow hovering stuff was getting so damned frustrating when I first had the sim, every time I picked up a 3d heli I would take off, hover for around 2 seconds, then dump it in. And since back then I didn't intend taking this as far as it's now gone or going, it didn't matter, so once I could fly my CX2 the sim was more for pleasure in between LiPo's. Now of course things have changed and I've moved on to a cp heli, it's now getting very hard to do the basics. I can hover my cx2 dead steady when she's set up right (ie after a rebuild with new parts), but I still can't do very good 8's with her, but I can fly her around the room she's in with no worries, getting up a good speed and hitting the brakes before she hits a wall or anything, even landing on top of her box with the tail mere millimeters off a stood up bed. So I know I can do precision, it's translating that to a heli with a tail rotor. Roll on flying my Buzz, maybe that will really help it along. And better yet, roll on the real thing, it may be much easier to see and control that way.