If I can fly like this tomorrow...

[jboweruk]

I'll be a happy chappy..... I know it's not good but at least it's in one piece LOL

[Twister3D]

John
Thats Great, really getting steady towards the end.
One thing I would like to point out is I have been told to
always fly the nose into the wind.
Watching you hover, I cant help but think you need to slow your cyclic down a touch its really twitchy while your learning.
If you have dual rate function on your TX set the second postion to about 60% that will make your cyclics less mad and help you hover with more control.

You sure you dont wana go to Masters

[Streetluge Chris]

How do you view these winzip files

How do you view these winzip files

[Twister3D]

You need Phoenix Sim they are recordings from that

[jboweruk]

Thanks, big downer though, woke up this morning with a blinding headache, so bad I couldn't even go to work, so there goes another chance to fly her.

I think someone up there is trying to tell me something.

BTW, I know you should fly nose to the wind, but where we were going to fly today that wouldn't have really been an option, it would've put the heli too close to the factory, so it would've been tail to the wind. But on the upside the wind wouldn't have been as bad as on the sim, thanks for the tip about the cyclics, I'll try it, but on the sim I still want it as twitchy as hell at the mo. So I get used to that. Then flying the real one should be a breeze.

[trillian]

blade 400

I had never flown the Blade 400 in Phoenix so I just downloaded it.

The stock version with rate gyro is very difficult because the tail is always trying to 'windvane' and won't do what I want. I changed the gyro to heading hold and it is a very civilised little machine then.

I generally have a 14 mph wind with something like 8% gusts dialed in.

I have to say, I wish the planks in Phoenix were as good as RealFlight, I'd just
sell RF because Phoenix outclasses it every other way (including how easy it is to import new models and scenery etc.)

[jboweruk]

Hi Trillian, try these settings, closer to real life....

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/showth...t=12728&page=2

[trillian]

Hi Trillian, try these settings, closer to real life....

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/showth...t=12728&page=2

Well, I tried applying these settings;

use the blade 3d
in edit aircraft go to main rotor
set frontal and lateral cyclic response to 0.65%
min pitch to -11
max pitch to 12
hover stability to 50%

goto tail rotor
set to hh
set gyro sens to 20%

But perhaps I accidentally botched something else in the process because
it is all but unflyable. I have to put in a lot of cyclic just to keep it level, like it's badly out of trim. The unaltered 3D version flies very well.

[cambs flyer]

John please do yourself one favor mate, and I don't mince words, you being bloody daft keep knocking yourself my friend.

Your a better pilot then I'll ever be, I can't do half of that fancy stuff you do and get away with it.

Through brute force of will you've conquered many tech' probs' where most would have given up long ago.

I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I admire your continuing willingness to march fourth and reach those goals, and I honestly think one day your be one of the top dogs here, as all the problems you've sorted yourself via messages is amazing, when having someone there to show you the ropes speeds things up ten fold, as the likes of what I've had.

Now no more of this (I know it's not pretty) crap anymore that man!

And very well done, your an inspiration to me and others I'm sure.

[jboweruk]

Well, the real one's with me today, we have a fine day from the appearance, and hopefully a fairly clear car park, so we'll see how we get on.

BTW Wayne, thanks mate, I'm always hard on myself, it's how I get better, I learnt a long time ago if you think you're good, you lose contact and get 'not good' very easily, it happened to me with driving, I won a safe driving competition years ago, and for some reason knowing I was good just sent my driving downhill fast. I'm determined not to let that happen with RC helis.

Trillian, I know, it's a 'mare with those settings innit, but that's the ones I'm using now. The real one does want to go left on take off, something I need to see how to trim out, my mate's going to give mine the once over for me before we fly so we'll know she's mechanically sound. Then with a bit of luck and a fair wind (I need it fair for the first few flights so I can trim her out) we'll see her fly at last. I've brought my cameras as well so we can film the first 'proper' attempt for posterity.

[moyesboy]

what is the concern about the wind direction?
Generlaly I fly similar to the planks at our club field with the wind blowing left to right or right to left - trying not to get stuck with it always the same way.

When I'm only own I sometimes fly with the wind on my back, but not with the wind on my face. It is better to have the heli blow away from when you make a mistake, than to have the wind blow it towards you!

For hovering with a HH gyro it will hover pretty much the same whatever direction the wind is but there is a trim effect from the wind. You should trim it hands off in nil wind and then compensate on the sticks for the wind effect otherwise it all goes a little bit wrong when you do the aerobatics (this slight roll in a head wind, or slight elevator in a cross wind doesn't seem to be reproduced in phoenix correctly. but my 450, knight50 and trex600n all do it in a similar way).

I've really enjoyed learning to fly without any other hands on help, only with info from the web. It ads to the sense of achievement. Still nobody else has flown any of my helis - it might be nice to see what an expert thinks of them sometime!

[jboweruk]

I just need a calm day for my first couple of LiPos. Once I've done 2 batts through her then wind won't worry me so much. I've done enough practice in chronic wind on the sim to know how it should affect her and get my reactions up.

Twister3D said on here one way to calm her down (and it works on the sim) is to lower the cyclic controls to 60% with the D/R setting? My mate reckons another way is to alter the Swash mixing, looking at Ron's settings for the Blade I really don't want to mess with those so am I better just doing the Dual Rate like Twister says?

[trillian]

So, just out of curiousity, how close is the stock blade 400 3D in Phoenix?

Not that I am going to get a Blade or anything but if it flies like the 3D blade in Phoenix it's pretty good. If it flies like it does in Phoenix with those altered settings then its got major problems.

I would think it wouldn't be too far from the Trex 450.

[jboweruk]

It's a bit livelier, Ron can say better than I can, he's flown his. Unfortunately my mate noticed a lot wrong on mine that makes her unflyable.

My luck don't get any better does it. She needs a new tail shaft, the head is as sloppy as hell, so not quite tight enough across the feathering shaft. she's got a broken bush holding part of the head, and to cap it all one of the nuts from the head Jesus Bolt went flying off somewhere never to be seen again.

All in all, she didn't fly, and won't anytime soon.

[machasm]

It's a bit livelier, Ron can say better than I can, he's flown his. Unfortunately my mate noticed a lot wrong on mine that makes her unflyable.

My luck don't get any better does it. She needs a new tail shaft, the head is as sloppy as hell, so not quite tight enough across the feathering shaft. she's got a broken bush holding part of the head, and to cap it all one of the nuts from the head Jesus Bolt went flying off somewhere never to be seen again.

All in all, she didn't fly, and won't anytime soon.

Still chin up,
was probably a good thing as the last thing you want is another crash due to a poorly assembled heli.
Get it sorted and have your mate check it over again before attempting to fly.
Good Luck.
Adrian.