Phoenix V5 update

[milly0812]

Bang on Dan plenty good enough for us mortals and still the best £70 I spent on this hobby.

[Gixxer]

I don't care about the physics... 'PhoenixBuilder' will be my new hobby and who can really say what naked women fly like in real life?!?!

[treff]

I don't think there is anything like putting a real helicopter into the dirt. There is none of that initial, "did it survive, why the f---k did I do that" For me it's about the wallet feeling, not the physics.
They can do what they like. Out there it's real, it hurts. Sometime it hurts real bad. The thought of......................not being able to do this. It's the psychology that goes into life is what's missing
from the software. There is no measure for the real thing and yet in small measure you can learn the unexpected. When you have learned this, your done, life then gets boring. God I must stop writing to this
forum after the pub. Cheers

[Gixxer]

I don't think there is anything like putting a real helicopter into the dirt. There is none of that initial, "did it survive, why the f---k did I do that" For me it's about the wallet feeling, not the physics.
They can do what they like. Out there it's real, it hurts. Sometime it hurts real bad. The thought of......................not being able to do this. It's the psychology that goes into life is what's missing
from the software. There is no measure for the real thing and yet in small measure you can learn the unexpected. When you have learned this, your done, life then gets boring. God I must stop writing to this
forum after the pub. Cheers

I think that would be a great addon for Phoenix.... A credit card swiper... and every time you crash, your credit card gets billed for repairs.

Or another method... every time you crash, you have to listen to a Justin Bieber track.

[Tripler]

I think that would be a great addon for Phoenix.... A credit card swiper... and every time you crash, your credit card gets billed for repairs.

Or another method... every time you crash, you have to listen to a Justin Bieber track.

Or a voice over saying, "You Twat" what did you do that for!!! don't tell tell miss's

[Red Devil]

I don't think the Phoenix is that far behind real flight if anything it's a little more true I find real flight a little to easy, like for instance four point tick tocks and piro flips on real flight they seem to just hold there effertlessly but on Phoenix i find it a lot harder the gravity seems to effect the modal a lot more and its harder to hold the modal in one place. But where RF is better is it keeps you flying for longer its a little more fun, I think it's down to the chioce of helis and the realistic sounds of the blades and different modals.
i think that's where Phoenix really lacks on the sound IMO of course

[Ade_Law]

We will just have to wait and see.
Looking forward to the update but IMO Phoenix isn't that bad, it's been good enough for most of us for a good few years, only now that RF7 is out that we all seem to be knocking it.
Ade, you are obviously a clever bloke, but at my level of flying i just can't tell the physics are that bad. After all it's a learning tool and not exactly like the real thing.
Like you, i alter my models on there to make them fly more like my real ones, i also ad a bit of wind etc.

Dan.

with some wind on, do a figure 8, nice and slow, look at how it responds to flying through its down wash and how much the lift difference is due to air speed. now increase the wind, hover the model nose into the wind and make small adjustments to the attitude, this will result in massive changes in altitude.

switch the wind off... climb nice and high, point the nose at the ground the model will accelerate to around 35m/s, no where near enough. now do a full pitch fly past at full collective. again maxes at around 35m/s and also requires the model to be very nose down, far more than in real life.

now do a full collective circle with more than 45deg of bank. the model now goes >45m/s how can this be?

the default knife edge lift only makes it worse, at least you can turn it off!

whilst on their own you might be able to think "so what" but all these little things build up to making the sim not feel right and contribute to various manoeuvres being off. One thing I have noticed since coming back is that if the sim is substantially different to the model you fly it can really hurt the muscle memory.

I am a mere mortal too ya know!

[robgt]

Until a simulator models real world fluid dynamics, it is always going to be a hard thing to get really right IMO.
I am led to believe there will be plenty of work on heli physics this year too, so they are not sitting on their laurels :-)
Cheers,
Rob

[MarkG_R1]

I'll do the update and try it as I still have Phoenix but I'm not expecting it to tear me away from my recently purchased Rf7
The two halves of my rough half piro flips are now in the same postcode , something I never achieved with Phoenix

[milly0812]

The two halves of my rough half piro flips are now in the same postcode , something I never achieved with Phoenix

That's not the sim that's just practice. If I'm honest I find piroflips much easier on Phoenix than I do for real even after the 'fear factor'

[MarkG_R1]

That's not the sim that's just practice. If I'm honest I find piroflips much easier on Phoenix than I do for real even after the 'fear factor'

True, but even going back to Phoenix they're not as tidy ( if you can call it tidy)

[Tim Procter]

The two halves of my rough half piro flips are now in the same postcode , something I never achieved with Phoenix

I bought and tried RF7 after years of using Phoenix, First thing I noticed was everything is half as easy to do without much effort needed.

Don't rest on your assumption that you can do pyro flips because RF7 was easier than Phoenix.

Just an observation I made after purchasing it, Gone back to Phoenix now and will be sticking with it.

[Lynx.1677]

Phoenix taught me all I know. Maybe that's why I still suck?? Lol.

[boysmith]

Looking forward to v5 i love phoenix for some reason i just can't get on with realflight

[Pj1969]

So what's the decision??? Has anyone updated yet?? Just deciding wether or not to do it?