Phoenix - Out of control

[RotaryOne]

With the CX2 the Phoenix is fine. Outside of that things go seriously arwy.

The (new) DX7 is working fine with CX2 on Phoenix.

Now have a Blade 400 but on the Phoenix this appears to be all over the place, and not just a case of trying to control the hover.

There appears to be a serious throttle problem with a lack of progressive control resulting in the model eventually springing into the air increasing height and careering off into the distance eventually, and inevitably crashing.

I also experienced something similar when trying the standard CX2 tx with other models.

Has anyone else had these sorts of experiences please and, if so, is there a solution.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[robgt]

Sounds like the Tx might need calibrating with the software?
It sounds odd that it flies fine on the CX2 model but no others though!
I know mine works fine on all models...

Cheers,
Rob

[cambs flyer]

I have to agree, it sounds like a calibration issue here.

When you do another cal' make sure all corners of each stick is repeated at least five times.

I had this happen to me and a simple calibration solved all problems when I first used my DX6

[jboweruk]

Do you use a seperate DX7 model for the sim to what you fly IRL? If so make sure you've selected that.... I'm sure I read somewhere somebody did that the other way around on a different tx and crashed their heli.

[RotaryOne]

Thanks, jboweruk. Yes the Phoenix is a separate model on the DX7, both for the CX2 and the B400, so that's two separate memories taken up for these two on the sim.

[RotaryOne]

Thanks to robgt and cambs_flyer. The DX7 has been calibrated a number of times and there is a separate 'copy' for both the CX2 and B400.

However I am still getting problems. Is it really me when I have been reasonably successful and progressive on the CX2?. Basically I very (thats VERY) carefully unstick the 400 with a view to hovering but, having unstuck it either quickly goes back to ground or, in no time it is up and away (forward and up) and even trim does not sort this out.

[jboweruk]

Trimming all the 3d helis on Phoenix is a nightmare. Practice, and when you think you've practiced too much, practice some more. Those things on Phoenix are very twitchy indeeed. I've not long got to a point where I can hover them, and in a stiff breeze now as well, I'm now working on inverted flight.

[RotaryOne]

Thanks, jboweruk, but is it really the case that what you see on Phoenix represents the way the real one flies? If so I can see that a ton of spares are going to be needed! And how do you disconnect the gyro (heading) lock when using the DX7 on the Phoenix? That would be really helpful.

[jboweruk]

I'm told that the TRex at least is not as twitchy as on the sim. If that's true of the others then maybe many of the 3d helis are worse than real life, but I can't say, I've only got a BCX2, which is fairly close to how it is on there. I'm hoping they are easier IRL than on the sim, but if and when I do go for the B400 I'm certainly hoping to get some help with it, including some buddy lessons. But I know how you feel, they are a struggle, and really the only help I can offer is relief:

What I do, is when I get fed up trying so hard to control them, is go somewhere like lakeside on the sim, then go to setup and put the winds high. Then just have fun trying anything and everything and watching what happens to it (the Pitts is hilarious as it starts near the lake...). It's just a bit of light relief for when I get fed up trying so hard. I'm afraid my real BCX2 is far more satisfying to fly nowadays than the one on the sim.

[RotaryOne]

Thanks, jboweruk. That was very helpful and perhaps a little re-assuring. The B400 should be ready for flight in about a week, also when a quantity of spares have arrived! I also have weights for the fly-bar coming, so that should calm it down a bit. But boggey was talking about flying the 400 in his living room without damage to man or beast, let alone the crockery! So it must be possible.

[jboweruk]

When you do fly it, please let me know how you get on and how close it is.... I'm thinking of that as an upgrade myself later on, although with all the talk about how to set this up and how to set that up I may wait a while, it all goes right over my head...

[RotaryOne]

OK, will do, jboweruk. I have just put a thread into the 400 forum asking other owners who have a CX2 what the conversion was like. Additionally I have extended training legs coming, just to cover all bases!

[jboweruk]

Sounds a good idea, I really wish I'd bought training legs for my BCX2, will definitely do so if and when I go up a level to the 400. At the mo' I'm in a real quandry, part of me is wondering if it's worth it, with all the problems I'm having lately and thinking it must be something I'm doing wrong. The other part of me loves to see my little BCX whole, ie uncracked tail/body. And of course I love the look of the B400, I think E-flite have got the whole colour scheme thing licked, not so yellow that it's ugly, but not too much other colour to spoil it, and on top of that if you wish they do a plain white canopy and tail so you can do your own scheme.

I'm still toying with it. But glad you posted and we'll see what people say.

[Boggy]

here is a short demo of how twitchy they are not!!if you bring up the "view controler"menu you will see the cyclic inputs. no fancy flying just a hover and then what waggling the stick will do and how easy it is to bring it back under control!

[Tim Procter]

here is a short demo of how twitchy they are not!!if you bring up the "view controler"menu you will see the cyclic inputs. no fancy flying just a hover and then what waggling the stick will do and how easy it is to bring it back under control!

Ive just seen you flying for the first time Ron..