To get things started......

[pchristy]

Just to get things started in the new section (well done, Boggy!)......

Here's my Morley Bell 47 (mid 1980's vintage!) in action at last years Scottish Nats:



And here's a couple of the Agusta 109 in action at Charmouth a year or so back:





Or should I have put this one in the flybar-less section? (No electronic stabilisers...)



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Pete

[coptermanic]

That A109 is lovely Pete. Have the A109 fuse in US Coastguard form on my 450, my first venture into a "real looking" helicopter, but he retracts are proving to be a proverbial pain in the ar5e.

[Boggy]

ive seen you fly the 109 a few times at charmouth now Pete. it never dawned on me that it didnt have stabilisation!!!

judging by the sunshine that must have been last autums meet??

[Xige]

Here's my Trex 450 se fitted up with an EC-135 ADAC fuse, did this a while back:

Note: Fuse later removed for maintenance reasons.

[electricsceadu]

a few pics of scale and something pete will reconise

[electricsceadu]

some more

[electricsceadu]

and some more

[pchristy]

Coptermanic: The retracts on mine came with the kit (JR), and bolt on to the chassis. One servo drives all three retracts by a system of push-rods that makes the mind boggle!

However, it does simplify things, having them attached to the chassis rather than the shell. The body just hangs over the mechanics - including the retracts.

Boggy: The rotorhead is a rather clever piece of design, and doesn't need any extra stabilisation. I'll try and get some pix of it in a day or two. Under the head is a small stub flybar, that cross connects the blades. All four blades have collective and cyclic control, but one pair acts as a "flybar" for the other pair via the cross connection. Its difficult to describe - you really need to see it in action to appreciate the genius of it!

Its very stable. The handling isn't quite like a 2-blader, but wouldn't give anyone with a reasonable amount of experience any problems. There are some slight gyroscopic oddities - it tries to pitch up when turning one way, and down the other, but nothing vicious! Its designed for a 50, but I'm flying it on an elderly OS 46 FX. This makes it slightly under-powered, but that encourages you to fly it in a scale-like manner!

The only thing you really have to watch out for is the same problem the full-size machines have! Because the head is fully articulated (the blades can flap freely) you reach a point when you are spinning it up where the blades are generating lift, but there's not enough centrifugal force to hold them out! If the wind gets under the disk at this point, it could flip it over! On a gusty day, you HAVE to keep the disk tilted into wind whilst spooling up and down!

A guy who used to fly SeaKings out to the North Sea oil rigs told me that they had exactly the same problem! The limiting factor for flying was not whether the machine could handle the wind, but whether you could spin it up and down in it!

ElectricSceadu: Difficult to see because of the reflections, but is that my name on that trophy???? Nice to see some other Morleys still in action!

I speak to Jim occasionally - he hasn't been to well recently, but is recovering now. He's always interested to hear of his machines still flying. I'll let him know about yours!

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Pete

[electricsceadu]

yes pete that your name just before mine
jim knows my machines and he likes the electric converted one with the shuttle head


with the jr 109 i've seen the one martin briggs had/has but i can't remember if it had a 2 or 4 blade head
i'll never understand why jr didn't put them out for general sale in the uk
unless the cost was going to be quite high on the kit

[electricsceadu]

on the morley vintage cup
Neil Fuller had it 1997-2001
Gary Bell 2002-2003
JimDavey 2004
Pete Chrisy 2005-2006
Dave Payne 2007 to date
the cup is on display at the moment at Leamington Hobby Centre awaiting Jim to collect it

another pic of the cup and some morley bell 47's at the MK Heli Club fly-in 2008 with Jim present

[disho]

some nice hellys there

[choppypilot]

Just to get things started in the new section (well done, Boggy!)......

Here's my Morley Bell 47 (mid 1980's vintage!) in action at last years Scottish Nats:



And here's a couple of the Agusta 109 in action at Charmouth a year or so back:





Or should I have put this one in the flybar-less section? (No electronic stabilisers...)



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Pete

Very nice Pete, I remember seeing your 109 at the nats last year, very nicely flown!

[coptermanic]

The kit for my A109 had a servo running the main and a separate one for the nose. I run them both through a single channel and a servo-slow. The originals were just puny, and I got it going a bit sideways landing on a windy day and sheared the mains off!! The replacements are much beefier, and I've fashioned the oleo legs to fit the existing holes - no mean achievement for one of my modelling ability. But the mechanics are not good, and need more work.

[3dx]

Looks a lot like mine !!!!,, I see you are using a AR6100,, only problem I found with that is that you lose remote gain control as the channel is used for the retracts !- would suggest you fit the stinger as your tail blades look awfully close to the ground

Did you find you had to reduce h/speed in flight mode to stop vibrations ???
Will probably beef up the retracts as long term, don't think they are really up to the job, but so far with 4 flights done,no real problems, handles breezy conditions far better than in pod n boom form......

[coptermanic]

Am using an AR7000. Yes, the "stinger" has been fitted too. I'm 90% of the way to giving up on the retracts; more trouble than they are worth.
I have the Align 335pro woodies on it as I wanted a bit of "coning" to make it look a bit more real, and there is not much vibration. I'm running a flat T curve in IDLE 1 of 90% [I think]. The heli is a pain in the ar5e to work on frankly, but at least it looks nice...........