2017 Formula 1 World Champion Predictions

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Williams has released the first real images of its 2017 Formula 1 challenger - the FW40.

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2016 and 2017 Mercedes side by side

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[cjm180]

so whats your predictions red?

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Hass F1

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[QUOTE=cjm180;1217639]so whats your predictions red?[/QUOTE]


i think i will hang on until after the 1st test

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Red Bull RB13

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Toro Rosso revealed its STR12

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[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Team[/TD]
[TD]Monday[/TD]
[TD]Tuesday[/TD]
[TD]Wednesday[/TD]
[TD]Thursday[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mercedes[/TD]
[TD]Bottas (AM) Hamilton (PM)[/TD]
[TD]Hamilton (AM) Bottas (PM)[/TD]
[TD]Bottas (AM) Hamilton (PM)[/TD]
[TD]Hamilton (AM) Bottas (PM)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red Bull[/TD]
[TD]Ricciardo[/TD]
[TD]Verstappen[/TD]
[TD]Ricciardo[/TD]
[TD]Verstappen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ferrari[/TD]
[TD]Vettel[/TD]
[TD]Raikkonen[/TD]
[TD]Vettel[/TD]
[TD]Raikkonen[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Force India[/TD]
[TD]Perez[/TD]
[TD]Ocon[/TD]
[TD]Celis[/TD]
[TD]Perez (AM) Ocon (PM)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Williams[/TD]
[TD]Massa[/TD]
[TD]Stroll[/TD]
[TD]Massa[/TD]
[TD]Stroll[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]McLaren[/TD]
[TD]Alonso[/TD]
[TD]Vandoorne[/TD]
[TD]Alonso[/TD]
[TD]Vandoorne[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Toro Rosso[/TD]
[TD]Sainz[/TD]
[TD]Kvyat[/TD]
[TD]TBC[/TD]
[TD]TBC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Haas[/TD]
[TD]Magnussen[/TD]
[TD]Magnussen[/TD]
[TD]Grosjean[/TD]
[TD]Grosjean[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Renault[/TD]
[TD]Hulkenberg[/TD]
[TD]Palmer[/TD]
[TD]TBC[/TD]
[TD]TBC[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sauber[/TD]
[TD]Ericsson[/TD]
[TD]Giovinazzi[/TD]
[TD]Ericsson (AM) Giovinazzi (PM)[/TD]
[TD]Ericsson (AM) Giovinazzi (PM)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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[h=2]Timing at 13:00 local time[/h][TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #E7E7E7"]Pos[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #E7E7E7"]Driver[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #E7E7E7"]Team[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #E7E7E7"]Time[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #E7E7E7"]Laps[/TH]
[TH="bgcolor: #E7E7E7"]Tyres[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD][B]S. Vettel[/B][/TD]
[TD]Ferrari[/TD]
[TD] 1:22.791[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 62[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD][B]V. Bottas[/B][/TD]
[TD]Mercedes[/TD]
[TD] 1:23.169[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 79[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD][B]S. Pérez[/B][/TD]
[TD]Force India[/TD]
[TD] 1:23.709[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 39[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]
[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD][B]F. Massa[/B][/TD]
[TD]Williams[/TD]
[TD] 1:25.552[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 39[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD][B]C. Sainz[/B][/TD]
[TD]Toro Rosso[/TD]
[TD] 1:25.582[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 14[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]
[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD][B]N. Hülkenberg[/B][/TD]
[TD]Renault[/TD]
[TD] 1:26.319[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 22[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD][B]K. Magnussen[/B][/TD]
[TD]Haas[/TD]
[TD] 1:26.404[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 15[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]
[TD="align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD][B]M. Ericsson[/B][/TD]
[TD]Sauber[/TD]
[TD] 1:26.865[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 32[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD][B]D. Ricciardo[/B][/TD]
[TD]Red Bull[/TD]
[TD] 1:28.712[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 4[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] M[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #F2F2F2"]
[TD="align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD][B]F. Alonso[/B][/TD]
[TD]McLaren[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

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good lap count from mercedes. erly days shame about mclaren

[cjm180]

Well, I enjoyed catching up on the action from pre-season testing.

I think the cars look great on track, not to sure about this shark fin.

So Merc, Ferrari and redbull. Umm, Merc are definitely sand bagging. Its good to see good form tho from Ferrari and Redbull. They all seemed reasonably happy with their testing looking at body language on the telly.

McLaren tho, OMG, coming into their 3rd season with Honda I cant see how this level of performance from Honda is acceptable. Credit to McLaren for not airing their dirty laundry like Redbull did a few years ago, but the ship must of sprung some leaks by now. They have had reasonable time now to be at least middle to almost top now. But still significantly down on power and reliability must now be hurting Honda's image.

I am surprised if they themselves have not tried to walk away. The issue for McLaren is if they did have a split, who would give them engines?

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The Honda engine for 2017 is a complete re design and nothing like the 2016 power unit so i am not surprised they have problems. the have thrown the last three years in the bin and started again. as for if they walk away from Honda there was a rule change that grantees teams without a power unit will have to be suppled from a manufacturer team. this was put in because of the situation Red Bull put themselves in with Renault. so if Mclaren walk they are guaranteed a power unit from Renault Mercedes or Ferrari at the moment that looks like a Win. Win. but i bet there are massive penalties to pay if they do.

[cjm180]

I have to respectfully disagree with some of your points my friend :courage:

I took fron the first season that Honda had made a bit of a disaster with that engine. Both technically but also how the task / challenge was approached. I am certain they underestimated the task. While coming in to f1 with a brand new engine is by no means easy, they faired a lot worse than any other manufacturer.

Into the second season, even Renault had got better. But honda didn't seem to fair much better, although some improvement was seen.

2017 however, even with the changes, and a complete new design of engine, the lessons of the previous year should of been learnt from how they approached the test. It appears previously there were systemic errors as well as technical / design errors. I would say the systemic issues have not been resolved. I see from sky f1 news mclaren are saying the engine is vibrating so much that it is upsetting the electrical system. I have not heard of any other team having that issue in the current era of engines.

As for the rule about all teams being guaranteed an engine, I remember that coming in. However am I correct in thinking red bull pushed for a guarantee of current spec engines. I thought they couldn't get that guarentee, and I think they could only source a guarantee of the previous years spec engine.

A team of mclaren's resources and ambition I am sure will not settle for a year old engine. Interesting stuff tho. I am interested in your perspective.

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Honda 2017 power unit [url=http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127679]Honda to follow Mercedes' philosophy with McLaren's 2017 F1 engine - F1 - Autosport[/url]

revised engine regulations for 2017 [URL]https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2016/4/fia-confirms-revised-engine-regulations-for-2017.html[/URL]

[cjm180]

I agree the engine for Honda is new from the ground up. They still are seeing more problems that seem to take longer to fix than any other manufacturer faced when doing the same 3 years ago.

Are you saying all all teams are running 2017 spec engines this year?