LENDING OUT

surely not......if it flew fine until he crashed, its his responsibility, after all i dont think anyone would set up someone elses model so that he would crash it....but you never know do you.?

[spacebaron]

I'm with Bibs on this one - The rule for helis is the same as that for cars as far as I'm concerned - Unless the lender clearly states the pilot isn't responsible, then the pilot IS responsible.

It is the pilot's responsibility to ensure the machine is safe to fly i(and that he has the ability to fly) n the same way that it is the driver's responsibility to ensure that a car is taxed. has legal tyres and oil in the engine.

Bottom line - however you feel about this subject, if someone is flying your machine be very specific about the terms under which the flight is taking place - do not leave it to assumption 8O

[bibs]

While my Esprit is in the garage having a super dooper really fast motorsport head fitted (amongst other things) I'm borrowing my friends Esprit. He has spares! 8O

I have the understanding with him that not only will I take exceptional care of it, but it will be returned the same or better, plus a few miles of course and I make sure I am always in the position of being able to repair anything that happens to it.

Same rule applies with everything in my mind, be it a lawnmower, heli, car, anything, you bend then you mend.

Oh, ps, here's the car he is lending me



Race anyone :P

[G-DAVE]

Accidents don't happen in your world ????Of course they do and you have insurance to cover - Let me know if you get your Models insured in the same way !!!
Dave

[bibs]

I'm covered third party on his car, I'm not going to get a full policy at about 3k per annum to cover a few weeks driving. My insurance policy for his car is in my bank account ipso facto if I broke someone's heli I'd get it fixed.

You're missing the point, if you can't afford to break what you borrow or aren't prepared to pay for damages which you are responsible for, don't put yourself in the position where you may have to do so.

[kiwipilot]

Hi Dave

In that case I think you would be okay.

If you have test flown it, and it is still in one piece when you land, and then the owner flies it and it falls to bits, that's not your fault.

For all you know, they might not have done a pre-flight check or any one of a number of reasons.

[G-DAVE]

I don't think you know to much about the model scene.
Why would anybody in there right mind test fly beginers models and at a big heliclub there are sometimes 3 of 4 to be tested ,if by some misfortune say Radio Failure " impoossible to forcast " there going to be hundreds of pounds out of pocket - it won't work.
Dave

[bibs]

The point here is to get the difference between lending someone your heli and test flying one for a n00b.

They are very different. My heli was test flown this weekend by someone who although I've never seen fly really knows his stuff. I was very confident that if anything was wrong with the heli he would have spotted it however if it had crashed, there would be no onus on him whatsoever in the slightest to pay for any damage as it was my heli I had asked him to fly for me.

If he wanted to borrow it for a few weeks to play with, and broke or crashed it, I am sure he would fix it, no questions.

The 2 circumstances are entirely different.

[chappers]

its dead simple if your asked to fly (either test or demonstrate) the responsibility is the person doing the asking! if you ask to fly a model (either for one flight or as a long term loan) the responsibility is yours.

[bibs]

Yup, 100%.

Right, I'm gonna get this down in an 'ancient charter' or somesuch so it will be written.

so i assume that you wont be offering me a fly of your T rex when you get it

[bibs]

8O

Err, remember I've seen you with a Hummingbird... :P

NOT LAST NIGHT YOU DIDNT..I GOT IT TO HOVER A FEW TIMES.

[bibs]

Good work matey!

You'll have that Mossie up in the air before long too

im not to bothered about the mossie now,it can just sit in my bedroom collecting dust unless i can sell it.........im going to buy a new raptor .