Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Interdisciplinary Problems

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Interdisciplinary Problems

    As some of you might know I'm also a comitted 'planker' and hold a membership at a club which has just a few Heli pilots, one of whom is a competitive F3C flyer.

    I've recently faced some 'interesting' conversations with the older members of the club that have seen me become a little dissillusioned. In particular, our club plays host to several very serious scale modellers (at worlds level) and some other dyed in the cloth plankers which see anything other than castor oil as the work of the devil.

    My question is how do we expect to drive the hobby forward with attitudes and opinions that were formed in the pre-war years. I've seen some absolutely incredible conversations with people wanting to start flying telling them how difficult it is, how most people fail and most recently how helicopters are inherintly dangerous but in the same breath displaying a complete disregard to the edges of a spinning prop. it took me and another member about 15 minutes to re-assure this prospective member that it really isn't that difficult to fly a .40 sized trainer and he really shouldn't worry.

    I'm genuinely scared for the future of model flying in it's entirity for as long as these people continue to have a say in the way that we move our hobby forward. I've taken some action myself in joining the commitee at our club and at the age of 29 I'm an absolute baby, thankfully our new chairman is also half the age of some of the other members and shares some of my views, yet I know that this isn't just affecting our club.

    So, I guess despite being a bit of a rant it's also a call to arms, please do take some action to have a say in what happens at your club, these older flyers can't have that long left now and to think that we could perpetuate this idiotic self destruction really worries me. The BMFA does have it's shortcomings as does the scottish eqivalent SAA yet surely the face of flying is at club level and is something we all control.

    Most recently my club has 'decided amongst itself' without any comittee consultation that 450 sized helicopters are too big for our indoor venue, however there are frequently 2 or more shockflyers in the air and IFo's and the like bouncing off the walls with props breaking off left, right and centre. In fact, it's fair to say that more work and maintenance goes into keeping a helicopter safe during the course of a week than a shocky or even a balsa model will ever see in it's lifetime, however this is a mute point with our resident pensioners. I've gone so far as to find and arrange another indoor venue some 3 or 4 miles down the road just for helicopters but know that the club will want what is actually a superior venue for the Fixed wing brigade - I wonder do we as the organisers of this night ban their presence or rise above it and let them fly?

    As you can probably tell I'm boiling over with this at the moment but would still like to use this energy constructively and appeal to you all to take positive steps in keeping the hobby alive and not letting the gimmers take it to their grave.

    Andy
    sigpicX2

  • #2
    Luckily, I think, more and more younger people are getting involved in the hobby - and as we all know, young people tend to not listen to **** stained old farts

    I wonder do we as the organisers of this night ban their presence
    Yep
    Cheers,
    Rob
    Team Align, Midland Helicopters, Optifuel, Cyclone Blades, Scorpion Motors, Thunder Power, Savox Servos, JR Propo

    | 3D Championship

    Comment


    • #3
      the answer to ban is yes........having flown at various mixed indoor events the chances of some out of control twit (flying a shockflyer) hitting your heli are quite high. Considering I've been hit in the head several times by a shockflyer at these venues I can't see a heli being any more safe from it.
      Sponsored by CSM, Optifuel


      Your RC Heli World

      Comment


      • #4
        the trouble is that clubs are run by these old gimmers even some of the heli only clubs are.

        our cure for this was to start a new club.

        the other option is next AGM get yourselves on the committee.

        Ade
        www.accurc.com
        adrian@accurc.com
        This is an apple free zone
        anybody can be an Arsehole, it takes real commitment, dedication and a whole lot of effort to be nice.

        Comment


        • #5
          Where I fly we have a mixed bunch of ages so dont suffer with the dont do this and this is hard to do rubbish ya get with some of them ... Mainly fixed wing yes but only on a Sunday so they quite dependable and we fly after them and all day on a Saturday so it dont really interfere with me flying helis..... But i fly both so i alwyas can fly when i there no matter what they flying lol .... I also fly indoors as well and seem to mix planks and helis pretty well so all in all a good world for us all .... Some of the other clubs round me are not that bad either ... But then ya get good and bad wherever ya go
          Knight 3D
          http://northeast3d.talkheli.co.uk/
          http://www.lindensflyingclub.co.uk/

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Ade_Law View Post
            the trouble is that clubs are run by these old gimmers even some of the heli only clubs are.

            our cure for this was to start a new club.

            the other option is next AGM get yourselves on the committee.

            Ade
            Ade, I'm already on the comittee (did that in December at the AGM) and we're seriously looking for an alternative site in and around Ayrshire for a breakaway club. Just struggling a wee bit with the location part of it

            A.
            sigpicX2

            Comment


            • #7
              I wonder do we as the organisers of this night ban their presence or rise above it and let them fly?
              I wouldnt give it a second thought, serves them right for banning 450 size helis.

              To hell with them.
              Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

              Current kit

              Evo 50
              T-rex 500FG night setup.
              T-rex 700N pro
              T-rex 450 pro
              10CP
              Frankenstarter (dynatron)

              Comment


              • #8
                I would demand a club meeting to discuss the issue of the ban and on what true facts can they deliver that support any decision to ban any 450 from indoor flying.

                Nope on second thought tell the old codgers to get real and stop living in the past that the F in BMFA doesn't stand for Fixed Wing Only but all flying disciplines. The quicker they wake up to the reality that they are a dying bread (quite literally) the better life will be for the hobby as a whole.

                If that fails, find another field start your own club and tell them to F&*) Off....
                Cheers
                Stuart

                Comment


                • #9
                  You have two choices..

                  If possible I suggest you organise your event totally independantly from your club... that way you have control over who can fly. But maybe costs are an issue.

                  If that is the case...In a confined space planks/helis just do not mix.. your only option is to allocate flightime as most plankers flying abilities prevent them from keeping to pre-defined areas especially the p$%s stained old Gimmers


                  SPARTANRC Team pilot


                  sigpic[IMG]http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/





                  Comment


                  • #10
                    On the topic of **** stained old farts.....

                    There is a RC Flying club "VERY NEAR ME" no names mentioned which

                    1: Won't allow nitro models of any description.

                    2: Strictly no helicopters.

                    3: Any model whether it costs £10 or £1000 has to be flown by a commitee member to make sure its safe before any member can fly it himself..

                    What a load of **** stained old farts they really are and for the pleasure of this it costs you £100 per year to join..

                    NO THANKS!!!!!!

                    I have 2000 acres of land here that anyone "with permission" can come and fly their model Nitro/Electric/Bicycle pedals.. FOR FREE..

                    Stuff the old farts with their attitude.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by robgt View Post
                      Luckily, I think, more and more younger people are getting involved in the hobby - and as we all know, young people tend to not listen to **** stained old farts

                      Rob could you pop down here and tell them that at the next AGM?


                      Phil
                      "Be who you are and say what you think...
                      Because those that matter...don't mind...
                      And those that mind... don't matter"


                      Blade 130x, Park Zone Mini Sukhoi, EDF F16 thingy, some Gliders and some broken stuff

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Busterboy, that's incredible. For £100 a year I'd be wanting a bacon butty and a hot coffee thrust into my hand by a suitably adorned individual after every flight and a free model cleaning service at the end of the day. I guess it does shift the focus slightly away from my issue but it's scary to think that this is acceptible by anyone.
                        sigpicX2

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I think were quite lucky as well....

                          We split from another local Club, I spent a year not flying a lot due being used as an escape goat from the old Club.


                          Here's the daft thing the people that Hung me out to Dry and the ones that had no back bone to stand upto them are now facing a downward spiral...
                          That Club cannot go on as it is to few members and a very High Rent issue

                          We were lucky to have found a good site that after 4 years hard work is good for plannes and helicopters to fly off. Everyone seems to get along and because WE watch who joins and there on probation really for 6 months as well. You moan and cry about stuff they can help sort the problem or go if they stand around and moan they can have there money back in my eyes.

                          We are now the only Club in the area with decent flying times and a good decent patch to fly from. It took us 4 years to get this far but well worth it and with a good mix on the commitee plane and helicopter flyers and a good mix of age as well on the commitee.

                          I am membership sec as well but here's a good one I always say I fly with new members before we let them in.. show up with a Heli and see the reaction If there dead against they get it explained were a MIXED Club get used to it or don't join (or though they might get no choice anyway)

                          Were a mixed Club and getting a flight has not been a major issue yet 68 members last year as well
                          Mark
                          www.uavaerialservices.co.uk
                          BNUCs - Operations certified
                          CAA - Permit for Aerial Work

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Andy:

                            If your going to split from another Club my Advice is this.

                            Find 4-5 core people you can depend on to start with.

                            Find a Field thats good access and remember where the SUN is and try and find the common wind direction.

                            Find the Farmer and then ask if they want to rent to you

                            Or

                            Go find a Farmer and ask if he has 3 acres you could rent, Get the deal to rent for 5 years as well.

                            You will need money to set up a Club and there not cheap I suspect a few people here may know what it is like trying to set up a club as well.

                            It cost us about 3000 pounds roughly thats Rent, Mower, Grass Seed, site rolled level, hardcore for parking, Grass sprayed etc. Metal container (mower storage), Planning Permision.

                            4 years on the founding members thats me and 3 others will get our money back we used to set the Club up. Clubs are not cheap to run unless your very lucky.

                            Click on the link in my Sig to see the Club where it was and is now.
                            Mark
                            www.uavaerialservices.co.uk
                            BNUCs - Operations certified
                            CAA - Permit for Aerial Work

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by andylinney View Post
                              Busterboy, that's incredible. For £100 a year I'd be wanting a bacon butty and a hot coffee thrust into my hand by a suitably adorned individual after every flight and a free model cleaning service at the end of the day. I guess it does shift the focus slightly away from my issue but it's scary to think that this is acceptible by anyone.
                              To be honest I would charge 100 pounds if I could to join our Club.

                              To many people think tunnel vision enough to cover the rent and thats it....

                              If Club Members want this and that and winge and cry about stuff you try getting them to put there hands in there pockets. It doesnt happen.

                              The other thing is people think now and today only.. Land is about to become a more wanted thing for building and growing crops etc...

                              If a Club wants to buy a site they need money and need to bring it in. Most Clubs never will because there narrowed vision... Old Gimmers for you.

                              We spend hundreds on these machines and to be honest 100 pounds to fly from a Good Club site is not a lot to ask! Thats about 1.92 a Week!

                              But thats just my opinon
                              Mark
                              www.uavaerialservices.co.uk
                              BNUCs - Operations certified
                              CAA - Permit for Aerial Work

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X