Clubman practice

[smokingtommy]

over the last 2 days i have been practicing clubman moves and have found that the X50 is being blown about way to much on the hovering moves and im running 30% expo
Do you think some flybar weights would help to ease this
also dose any one know of any other dampeners that would fit in the x50 head as it comes with hard ones and think that softer ones would also help as it dose not like flying with any thing under 1900
any help on this would be great
i was thinking of using the srimok but again i think i would have the same problems
im going to enter in this as its just around the corner from me and in a mates field
http://www.theaha.co.uk/bexhill.htm
http://www.theaha.co.uk/clubmans.htm

[electricsceadu]

i would use either the std raptor black paddles
or the hirobo sceadu/sdx50 paddles as this are adjustable by removing the weights inside the paddle

on the dampers it may be worth trying the std raptor ones they may fit, as raptors were every were (like trex's are today) someone you know must have a raptor 30/50 damper you could try in it to see if it fits

but i would say the old raptor 50 would be better as a f3c heli due to its weight the x50 is very light and can be moved around by the wind in the hover

don't get me wrong the x50 is a fantastic heli, but its designed for modern 3d flight

i've just seen your sig, if you've still got it try the dampers out of your rappy 30

[smokingtommy]

thanks will take a look on the 30 and see what i can do ,never really tryed F3c flying before and its the hovering moves that are giving me the problems ,never thought about the paddels, must admit its really fun

[trillian]

Hi Smoking Tommy, I'm slowly working on some of the clubmans maneuvers as well. I might enter something this year even though I am nowhere near good enough really.

I am about to maiden a Hirobo SDX that I hope will be a decent practise machine that uses less fuel than the bigger helis. The hovering is obviously where the .90 helis have the advantage just by pure mass but I figure if I can start to get something looking decent on the .50 then it will be much better with a .90.

I was starting to work on some of the hovering moves with my Raptor 50 V2 and even though it's still very sloppy I was starting to see something that at least looked like proper hovering. I have the all metal HTR head with the stock dampers, GeForce mixer arms and the black Raptor paddles and that's pretty close to the right flybar tuning for that machine (the GeForce arms give it pretty much a one to one flybar ratio while still having quick enough cyclics for the aero stuff. The rest is just throttle and pitch curves and lots of practise. I suspect you can tune the X50 head to do what you want as well.

The paddle weight is what will get the flybar tuned to the right response rate so that it holds the heli in position horizontally. Softer dampers will help in holding the position vertically as will heavier blades (and softer dampers will allow lower headspeeds but headspeed is something that just has to be experimented with to find the sweet spot).

[electricsceadu]

the only adjustment on the x50 head is the washout arm has two sets of holes
std its in the ouer hole but you could try the inner hole which will give less flybar input

[smokingtommy]

i have have tryed running a almost flat throttel curve in idel 1 (55,55,55,55,55,55,85 )futaba 10c but the heli developes parkensons desise which is what got me thinking on the softer damperners (same problem with the srimok dose not like low head speed )
i can see what you mean by compermizing the roll rate, but sure will look into some other paddels

[electricsceadu]

if you have the blach tt paddles on the 30 try them
if you are buying some then use the hirobo ones
start with no weights
then the brass weight
then both the brass and lead weights
then just the lead weights
to see how you likethe feel of them
don't over fly it with the lead weights in as they can deform and you then can't get them back out
i've never had a problem with removing them even with years of flying the paddles but it is possible for them to stick in the paddle

[trillian]

the only adjustment on the x50 head is the washout arm has two sets of holes
std its in the ouer hole but you could try the inner hole which will give less flybar input

Yeah the old style Raptors have the same option of two holes on the washout arms. I am not familiar with the X50 head but I suspect it probably gives more pitch to the blades than the older style heads. If it's setup for 3D it will have a flybar ratio that gives the flybar less authority. If you cannot change the flybar ratio then you'll probably want a fairly responsive flybar and just compensate with expo and swash mix. It just takes a little trial and error and a few windy days to find the right weight paddle or combination of paddles and weights.

I just had a look at pics of the X50 head. It looks like they're using a design similar to the Align heads. You still have a mixer arm located on the flybar seesaw just underslung instead of on top. Soooo, maybe someone makes a mixer arm with more adjustments. I have a terrible internet connection right now or I'd do a little Googling.

[smokingtommy]

found some kyosho concept paddles they are 25grams bit more than the rapptor one so will give them a go first

[Steve]

I have Sceadu SDX paddles with all the weights in on my X50. Makes it very smooth to fly and tracks great in forwards flight. Everything else on the head is stock. The paddles improved the hovering somewhat, but it still gets chucked about quite a bit in a breeze - it's a very lightweight heli. Heavier blades would help, or longer ones. Try some 610 or 620mm blades, but be sure to check for tail blade fouling first before parting with your cash. You'll be able to lower the headspeed some more then as well.

[electricsceadu]

steve i did it the other way around
i fitted the x50 paddles onto my sdx to liven it up
but went back to the std hirobo ones with just the brass weights in as it flew better