When does Aerobatic become 3D????

[sj257]

An easier question to answer for fixed wing (well for me at least).

But what defines 3D heli flying? What is just aerobatic?

Sorry if this is a dumb question?

sj

[soggybongo]

I suppose i would say - like a butterfly and a hornet

[Ross Northcott]

when individual moves are linked together i guess.

[smiles]

Only my take on things 3D being performed in the box in front of the pilot and aerobatic being the big air stuff using the rest of the sky.

[tonystevens]

when your using aileron,elevator and rudder together to produce a move rather than just aileron for a roll, elevator for a flip and rudder for a piro individually

[sj257]

Ok.

Not the answers I was expecting.

I would put tic tocs down as 3D which I believe only really requires elevator and pitch work.

sj

[tourerjim]

Aerobatics is getting to the field 3D is when you've experienced a crash

[tonystevens]

elevator Tic tocs are what i would call entry level 3d unless they are side on at 6" of the deck lol, now a piro tic toc or 4-point tictoc, thats proper
3d

[sj257]

So the only conclusive thing would seem to be that there isn't a conclusive answer?

I've just moved on from forward flight and started with loops, rolls, elevator and aileron flips, pirouetting stall turns and backwards loops. I'm just starting to try tic tocs and variations on the other stuff I'm doing.

So I'm trying to work out what I should be doing to count as starting my ventures into 3D?

sj

[Cagey]

Hovering is aerobatics, owt else is bloody 3D. Well, that's how I sees it anyroad.

[killer4557]

alot of moves are classed as 3D even plain old elevator tic tocs are 3d becasue ur using pitch and elevator for main part but you use aileron and rudder to keep it neat and in 1 place so it is a 3d manuver, when prio flips start becomming a part of your flying your well into 3d theres ur goal

[tonystevens]

The way i see it if your stirring the sticks rather than straight forward/backwards-left/right then your doing 3d. Of course there are non stirring 3d manouvres like funnels and backwards/inverted but these types of manouvres that require controlled movements using all three axis would be classed as 3d, where a simple tic-toc doesnt really qualify in my opinion

[waveydavey]

So the only conclusive thing would seem to be that there isn't a conclusive answer?

I've just moved on from forward flight and started with loops, rolls, elevator and aileron flips, pirouetting stall turns and backwards loops. I'm just starting to try tic tocs and variations on the other stuff I'm doing.

So I'm trying to work out what I should be doing to count as starting my ventures into 3D?

sj

A definition I think fits;

3D flying includes any movement that manipulates pitch or roll while simultaneously pirouetting or otherwise combines controlled movements on three axes, rolling circuits, pirouetting funnels, and of course the famous piro-flip would be examples of distinct 3D moves. The humble tick tock whether elevator or aileron is or can be a combination of cyclic pitch or roll combined with collective and rudder to maintain position.

Sports flying are prescribed maneouvres that although combine multiple control inputs, follow a defined path, a loop, a roll, where there is no combination of maneouvres.

[sj257]

Cheers folks.

This is starting to form a picture for me thanks.

I guess I better look up the pyro flip and see what that involves.

Sounds tricky and best tried several mistakes high.

sj

[spiderspid]

types of manouvres that require controlled movements using all three axis would be classed as 3d, where a simple tic-toc doesnt really qualify in my opinion

Bugger there goes half my 3d moves 8-(