Piro flips..........phoenix recording.

[Lynx.1677]

I think I've got the general idea now.

I know my in between bits is a little erratic and I need to be able to keep the heli more stable when the disc is flat but I think I am getting there.

I wanted to use something small and nadgery so that when I go bigger it should (in theory) be easier?

Copy the file to your Documents/Pheonix/Recordings folder and then open in the flight recorder when in Phoenix.

[GravityKills]

pretty fast
You know that you're flipping in different directions? For example, the first four half flips are facing
2 o'clock ('forwards right')
6 o'clock ('towards the pilot')
10 o'clock
3 o'clock

If your fingers are moving consistently enough, you can even do it blindly. There is no need to watch the heli... just be careful with a real heli that you don't get bitten

What I'd also practise in the sim is doing them slowly, as slowly as you can. With a big heli and in a direction you choose. Piroflips at 12 o'clock, flipping away from the pilot, are the most popular.
Turning the simulator speed to 50 % can be very useful here. It is not necessarily easier. But if I can't do it slowly, I haven't understood it.
The point is to watch the heli and learn to "fly" it through the move, giving constant feedback.

[Lynx.1677]

pretty fast
You know that you're flipping in different directions? For example, the first four half flips are facing
2 o'clock ('forwards right')
6 o'clock ('towards the pilot')
10 o'clock
3 o'clock

This works if you're blindly doing the movement. If doing it consistently enough, there is no need to watch. Just be careful with the real heli that you don't get bitten

What I'd also practise in the sim is doing them slowly, as slowly as you can. With a big heli and in a direction you choose. Piroflips at 12 o'clock, flipping away from the pilot, are the most popular.

Bit confused by the direction you mention.........I'm trying to initiate the first stick stir from tail in and then start the 2nd stick stir when the nose comes back around while inverted (so nose in for the 2nd stick stir). When done for real they will be done pretty high and a lot further away!

[p4ddy]

What i done was slow the piro rate down to 300.0 rather than turn the simulation speed down. This helped me loads as i had time to control the cyclic. A 300.0 rate on the sim is pretty well matched to my logo tail at 70% rudd EP's. It's worked a treat.


I start my 1st flip with nose at 12 oclock & my cyclic is also at 12 oclock, then i flip from inverted when the nose is at 12 oclock again when inverted but this time the cyclic is at 6 oclock

[GravityKills]

oh, there are two different things:
- the tail can piro at any rate you like. You can start the flip at any direction, and end it at any direction
- the flip has an axis, just like an ordinary flip without the "piro".

I did a quick video that shows
forwards flip
forwards piroflip
right flip
right piroflip
backwards flip
backwards piroflip
left flip
left piroflip:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFwOBdZdLtM"]YouTube - piro flip axis[/ame]

The video is a bit messy in places... but what you should see is that the rotor disc is flipping along some axis, which isn't random. Watch it until you see it
When you practise more in the sim, you'll probably pick one "favourite" axis - most likely, away from you. This should get only easier, once you've picked a direction and stick to it.

>> slow the piro rate down
yes, why not. What I have also tried is to set a fixed piro rate via rudder trim.

[Lynx.1677]

Thanks for the vid! I think I see what you mean.

What is confusing me though is if you watch the pro's they sort of do the flip and then the heli sits rotating while the disc is flat before they do another flip. Unless that's a Kaos?

I've watched Ashley Davis' vids and I can do the piro flips that he shows (2 full stick stirs) but the one's I am doing have a pause in the middle which I kinda think looks cool. Might not be quite right but I'll keep practicing until I can control it a lot better.

Stationary piro's are hard!

[Sqwidge]

oh, there are two different things:
- the tail can piro at any rate you like. You can start the flip at any direction, and end it at any direction
- the flip has an axis, just like an ordinary flip without the "piro".

I did a quick video that shows
forwards flip
forwards piroflip
right flip
right piroflip
backwards flip
backwards piroflip
left flip
left piroflip:
YouTube - piro flip axis

The video is a bit messy in places... but what you should see is that the rotor disc is flipping along some axis, which isn't random. Watch it until you see it
When you practise more in the sim, you'll probably pick one "favourite" axis - most likely, away from you. This should get only easier, once you've picked a direction and stick to it.

>> slow the piro rate down
yes, why not. What I have also tried is to set a fixed piro rate via rudder trim.

You make that look easy but I still cant do it

[GravityKills]

...is if you watch the pro's they sort of do the flip and then the heli sits rotating while the disc is flat before they do another flip. Unless that's a Kaos?

Hi,

I think the "trick" is simply that they are very much in control of their piroflips.
It's basically the same as doing a half flip - stop - half flip - stop etc.
That's where I'd start, without any piro at first.

"Kaos" is if I turn the flip axis continuously. I did some slow video earlier, here:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3zB1Z5P-PQ]YouTube - Veeeery slow kaos[/ame]
It's a bit messy, but it should show that the heli piro-flips in eight consecutive directions. What makes it so difficult is that it requires controlled piroflips in all directions, while keeping the heli in place.

>> You make that look easy but I still cant do it
it takes a lot of work, and will take me a lot more work... staying in place is the hard part...