Possible legislation changes For DSM / DSM2

[Gaza07]

Ive been reading on another forum about possible legislation changes that could outlaw DSM/DSM2 FROM September 2011
OFCOM stated that if the regs change so as to outlaw DSM/DSM2 from September 2011 then it does NOT effect any current systems as they were legal at the time of purchase. It will ony effect new systems

Does anyone on here know about this
Is it realy worth sticking with spektrum ?
Ive ordered a DX8 now i feel

It would seem we could still use this equipment but do we realy want to invest more than we already have if its going to be banned from future sales

[ChrisB]

Not heard anything would be a pain if you could not get new rx's though won't lose any sleep over it though if it happens it happens but this is a classic example of why anyone who flies any type of rc should fully support the bmfa as they are the best ones to deal with it whether you like them or not

[trillian]

Weeeeell, I've had it in the back of my mind I'll relocate at some point anyway. Although I guess Spain isn't the best option now

We're being legislated to death over here and the big mobile companies and cable companies etc. will win out if there's some kind of frequency conflict. We shall see.

[moyesboy]

Established R/C manufacturers, caught on the hop by Spektrum, and faced with a 50% loss of market share have some very busy legal departments don't they!

[Nige321]

Before this thread gets out of hand, here's a posting by Peter Christy on another forum. What IS happening is it appears that JR are going to drop DSM support and move to their own system.

Please read it carefully...DSM and DSM 2 will NOT be 'banned'!

First a disclaimer: I don't work for JR, Futaba, MacGregors, RipMax, or anyone else, though I do know a number of people who work or who have worked there (Hi Mac-Man!). I am NOT privy to any secrets they may have! The following is based on some knowledge and some speculation, but I believe it to be an accurate summary of the situation (warts and all)!

The EU VERY CLEARLY stated at the meeting in Brussels over a year ago that they have NO INTENTION of banning or power restricting DSM systems. It simply is NOT going to happen. Why not? Because every single wireless router on sale in PC World, Currys, etc and made by every big network manufacturer uses a variant of DSM! They do NOT frequency hop!

If a ban such as has been suggested in this thread were implemented, the howl of outrage from the computer industry would be heard on Mars!

2.4 GHz in an "industrial dustbin" band - like 27 MHz and 459 MHz. It is not exclusively for RC. Nor is it exclusively for computer networks. Any regulations specified will be for ALL users, not just for RC or computers. There will be no way of drawing up different specs for different applications!

I know this band seems very important to us - and it is. But remember, we are minnows compared to the computer industry! If the EU banned DSM it would immediately and effectively ban every single existing computer network and router in the country! Its simply ISN'T going to happen!

What may well happen is that there will be a shift in alliances in the commercial world, and the new JR sets may well be the first symptom of that. Futaba are a giant in the electronics industry, making not just RC sets, but components for a wide range of electronics gadgets. The chances are that the fluorescent display on the front of your DVD player is made by Futaba!

From what I have been able to gather, when Spektrum came out with their 2.4 GHz sets, it caught the Japanese completely flat-footed! They hadn't seen it coming! Futaba already had industrial 2.4 GHz systems, so it didn't take them long to modify them for model control use. JR are nothing like as big as Futaba. I seriously doubt that they had enough in-house talent to design a system from scratch once they realised how big it was going to be. I'm guessing that the only way they could get a system on the market quickly enough to keep up with Futaba was to do a deal with Spektrum. This would have been aided by the fact that their US importer was Horizon, who also own Spektrum! The US is their biggest market, so this scenario makes a lot of sense!

I would guess that in the intervening time, they've been busy recruiting 2.4 GHz engineers to design their own system. It must have been quite embarrassing for them to have to admit that they could only compete by "buying in" an existing design, and saving face is very big in Japan! It looks like they are now ready to start testing the water with their own design system. Interestingly, it looks like they are - initially at least - keeping to the bottom end of the market with the new system, leaving the top end stuff as DSM2. No doubt once the system is proven, they will begin migrating their top end stuff over too, but I would expect that to be at least a couple of years away yet.

So no, DSM2 is not going to vanish over-night. Nor is there any likelyhood that it will be subject to power or any other restrictions in the redrafted regulations.

This has all to do with corporate politics and FUD, and very little to do with any technical arguments!

--
Pete Christy

[Ewan]

Thanks for the above, a very interesting post and good to hear it is just an unfouned rumour.

[moyesboy]

Hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good PANIC!
My plan was to pick up a really cheap DX8 and several AR9000 receivers

[Gaza07]

Hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good PANIC!
My plan was to pick up a really cheap DX8 and several AR9000 receivers

I was going to point inwoods to this thread and ask for a discount
From what ive read on other other forums there is a lot of bull going around about spektrum jr and dsm2 wonder who started it

Also about dsm2 being no good when there is to much noise on the channel
this is taken pasted from another forum from some one who knows there onions

DSM is perfectly capable of recovering a signal from below the noise floor - something that logic tells you is impossible! I was given a good analogy of how this works a while back: If you go to Heathrow to pick up your son/daughter/spouse, you will have no trouble picking him/her (the signal) out despite the crowds around him/her (the noise). This is because you know what you are looking for, and can pick it out from the surrounding mush. So a DSM receiver can pluck a signal from noise that may actually be greater than the signal!

[Stuart]

I get a copy of all notifications from Ofcom of any changes/consultations and nothing is in the works as far as I'm aware.

[waveydavey]

Not bothered anyway still 35meg.

[alioth]

Not bothered anyway still 35meg.

Me too, but I can see the day when Ofcom wants to take 35 MHz away from us (just like they are trying to take away the radio mic frequencies, and how they wanted to charge very high fees for the internationally-agreed aviation nav and comm frequencies, as if those of us in full scale didn't have to pay through the nose for the CAA as it is).