real life verses phoenix

[dogbiscuit]

i have had phoenix for a couple of days now and have set up my dx6i as per a detailed thread on this forum. in real life i can competently fly my msr, but in phoenix, not a chance. on the laptop screen you can barely see it for one, and the cotrol input seems way more agressive that real life. also seem to be strugling to hover most cp helis, whereas again, in real life hovering my blade 400 now seems now problem. any ideas/thoughts

(edit) probably a realy bad day for this post as everyone will be ouside on this, the best flying day of the year so far. just charging b400 batts as i type

[MartinH]

When I first started using Phoenix, [about 3am in the morning, thanks for the wakeup call bolders]
I really struggled with CP, all very fast and was able to turn in every degree, it took time to get used to. Give your self a little time to adjust mate.

Also add a little D/R expo to numb things down a little:


First go to the setup list within the DX6i

scroll down to D/R combi,

Click to enter it and set the D/R switch to Elev

Got back to Adjust list

and scroll to D/R expo

with the Elev switch at '0' change each 100% value to 85% as a first step [you can change these later if you wish]

next change the 'INH' values to say '10%' again as a first step

Now when you flick the Elev switch all the values will be 100% but if you keep it at '0' your heli will be a bit duller and a little easier to fly.

Perhaps start on a vibe or 700 or something a little bigger than an mSR.

[Weebl]

The mSR on Phoenix flies NOTHING like real life, in fact it is pointless having it IMO. I find the 500 and 600's fly quite well, and equate across to my 450 and 500 respectively.

I would recommend the Trex 700 as a good learner tool, moving down as and when you feel you have good mastery.

I can actually hover better for real than in Phoenix, at least keep it over one spot slightly easier.

I can fly around like a loon, go inverted, stall turn, Piro etc on Phoenix though and cannot do anything like that for real. Probably because I can relax on Phoenix because crashes cost £0.00 and no time to fix apart from bottoming the stick and waiting for the reset.

[GravityKills]

yes, use a big heli for training in Phoenix. There is nothing wrong with practising slowly, just the opposite.

My favourite is the Vibe SG, I think it has the most recent "physics" (not 100 % sure). I change cyclic response to make it as fast as the FBL helis, and dual rate on the radio to slow it down for smooth flying.

If you own a real heli and set it up as a lean-and-mean 3D machine, Phoenix is extremely realistic. I own a number of helis, and I consider it "yet another heli" - it's not exactly like any of them. But the difference between actual helis is probably just as big as between real heli and Phoenix.

The typical complaints about lack of realism for large helis are caused by wrong setup, either on the heli or Phoenix.
If it seems too easy, enable wind and offset the trims slightly.
Otherwise, the most severe shortcoming is the lack of the "B" key on the real heli

[p4ddy]

I've found the best ones are the Trex 600N as that flys very well & my very slightly altered Logo 500 extreme.

[Planehazza]

I was just talking about sim vs RL the other day. I definitely think RL flying is easier, just a lot more scary!

[dogbiscuit]

thanks to all for the above advice and views. today was a day real flight. i will keep playing with, and adjusting the settings on phoenix untill i get some good results. the planes are good fun for a first timer

[Ewan]

here is my view, i have phoenix and dont really use it very much, the issue i have is the change in orientation as the view changes left/right up etc does not translate in my head properly and this i think is why I find it difficult.

[Weebl]

here is my view, i have phoenix and dont really use it very much, the issue i have is the change in orientation as the view changes left/right up etc does not translate in my head properly and this i think is why I find it difficult.

Try it with 'keep ground in view' It still flips as it goes over your head, but you should be practising as though you have a flight line anyway. It helps with certain manouvers, especially auto's, and it does stop you getting disoriented as to which way you are facing with regards to the landing strip.

[Ewan]

Try it with 'keep ground in view' It still flips as it goes over your head, but you should be practising as though you have a flight line anyway. It helps with certain manouvers, especially auto's, and it does stop you getting disoriented as to which way you are facing with regards to the landing strip.

That sounds like it is worth trying, wont be for a week or so as off on hols.

[GravityKills]

>> as the view changes left/right up etc does not translate in my head properly and this i think is why I find it difficult.

maybe that simply takes practice.
- try to slow down camera speed. It gives a better sense of movement
- Enable "sky orientation", it shows the background grid.

[debrooker]

For me its the weather. Both my flying fields have permanent wind (and of the turbulent variety) so I find I really need to dial in the weather settings in Phoenix to achieve any sort of realism.

[trillian]

In my experience there are a few general differences between flying in Phoenix and real life and then some specific heli differences.

First of all the 450's in Phoenix have a strange feel, as if they are hanging below the rotor (if that makes any sense) and for me they don't fly like real life at all. This is a peculiar thing to the 450's and maybe some other small helis in Phoenix and I don't know what setting in the heli parameters it might be.

In general though it is easier in some ways but harder in others. Hovering is easier in real life but in Phoenix it seems like everything is a bit more predictable. In real life a heli will get out of control much more quickly and in less predictable ways. Then of course there's the nerves factor, which can be a very big thing sometimes because you start to 'over-think' and end up not making the moves you instinctively should.