Thinking of going flybarless on my T Rex 700 E ( Your Views Please )

[5exi]

I’ve got a spare flybarless 700 head with Mikado Parts ready to go.

At the moment I know of 3 systems and two that’s maybe coming.

Your views would be great good and bad.

1: Mikado V-Bar I’ve seen mixed reviews but the newer V4 seems to be very good but still good and bad.

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2: Skookum 360 FBL again I’ve seen mixed reviews I have asked a forum member who had one and he didn’t like it.

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3: GyroBot 900 & 700 not heard much about this one vid’s are good price is a bit off putting over the V – Bar

GyroBot 900 - LF-Technik Model Helicopters

Two systems that being worked on and maybe or not out next year.

1: Align have tested a flybarless system this year on a 700
It is meant to be a German set up vid’s were great.

Only problem is if they come out with one I would be a bit worried about there Electrical bits if my T600 ESC blowing up from the other week is any thing to go by.

flyberless system by align?? - HeliFreak

2: Spartan RC is meant to be working on one, now that would be good if the DS 760 gyro is anything to go by.

Spartan RC's Photos - Flybarless | Facebook

Many Thanks

Paul

[MrB]

A biased opinion here- but then I suppose most have

Go with the Mikado V-bar- it's the oldest system and so has had more RD time, hence the pretty good reviews about V4. There also far more folks running it on t700 so if you do hit trouble it should be far easier to sort out.

Although it really is almost plug and play

Would steer WAY clear of anything new to the market until it's been well tested, never had a problem here with thousands of flights going right back to the old metal gyro version ( £500 + back then) but theres no mercy if one dose fail mid flight.

[acwman]

Unfortunately there are no guarantees of any electrics which aren't going to fail, even if you wait for the spartan(If they bring one out), I've heard even their gyros have failed from ppl... you're going to get it from any manufacturer..I guess.

I've been using the vbar with the older silver sensor with the newer v4 software and it works great for me.

The vbar is probably priced very well compared with some of the other more expensive ones out there.

Lets hoping that the new systems coming out from the other manufacturers can only bring the price down..... I want to get the logo 500 done asap

[est1976]

dont forget the Curtis Youngblood TOTAL-G

[moonmanflyer]

I would 100% wait for the align system, garenteed it will be the easiest system to set up as with all align products and will work perfect out the box.

[ChrisB]

The thing to ask yourself is why do you want to go flybarless? what are you expecting to gain on that particular model?

There are certainly more benefits converting an electric model than a nitro.

I have converted my Logo 500 from flybar to flybarless,benefits were improved duration and a bit more apparent power at the head,also improved the look and feel so it was worthwhile IMHO.

I converted a Beam E4 to Mini V bar which was good,benefits were it felt like and behaved more like a T Rex 500 size model,power again was also better but did not notice any real duration increase on this one.

Most recently i have converted my trusty 600N to V Bar also,benefits were it flew more like a Mikado than an Align..No noticable power or duration increase on this but it does have a very likeably feel in the air.

BUT...

I would advise that of course the units are not cheap and the benefits need to be worthwhile.

I am stunned with the way that the V Bar models perform but bear in mind that its an electronic flybar,it replaces the original flybar head and i still cannot find a lot wrong with most of the current standard heads so i still ask myself the question,why convert them?

I suppose i am saying i own and fly both but cannot choose between them.

[serpent887]

I am a total convert to FBL and have used Gaui GU-365, Gyrobot 900 and VBar4.

It is always possible to wait for the latest and greatest but this approach rarely gets anything done so best to take a plunge now! Either Gyrobot or VBar are the best, you won't regret it.

PS I have a Gyrobot900 for sale if interested.

[5exi]

I would 100% wait for the align system, garenteed it will be the easiest system to set up as with all align products and will work perfect out the box.

Maybe but you could say the same for Spartan products but if Align were to re-branded units like the servos maybe.

In house made I'd say no.

Thank you for your input.

Paul

[5exi]

I am stunned with the way that the V Bar models perform but bear in mind that its an electronic flybar,it replaces the original flybar head and i still cannot find a lot wrong with most of the current standard heads so i still ask myself the question,why convert them?

I suppose i am saying i own and fly both but cannot choose between them.

It's really something new to try, i may like the way a heli flys without a flybar i may not.

Thanks for your input

Paul

[raptorheli2]

a diff view for me.

i've had a vbar for about 3/4 months now and it's been nothing but a pita. some learning it, some chasing little niggles but mostly just it acting weird.

there is a LOT of room for improvement in flybarless systems. thankfully with more starting to do them i guess they will get better through time as everyone pushes each other.

for my money it certainly doesn't fly better than a flybar model. i say spend the 300 quid on more packs, fuel, blades or whatever your pleasure is.

cheers

[ChrisB]

Sounds fair enough to me Paul,i dont think you will be dissapointed by the performance of the model with it fitted.

If you proceed it would be good to hear your thoughts on it.

[kenny.c]

I wasnt too sure about the whole Vbar thing....heard so many stories about big crashes during the first flights becasue of setup problems....But this V4 software really does make it SO easy......its been a total pleasure upto this point.....

Ive done about 30-40 flights now on the Vbar and havnt had any issues what so ever.

Id recommend anyone thinking about going FBL should go for it......Vbar anyway......
Im building a 700LE at the minute....once run in and happy with it im pretty sure that will have some Mikado magic aswell....

Ken

[5exi]

I wasnt too sure about the whole Vbar thing....heard so many stories about big crashes during the first flights becasue of setup problems....But this V4 software really does make it SO easy......its been a total pleasure upto this point.....

Ive done about 30-40 flights now on the Vbar and havnt had any issues what so ever.

Id recommend anyone thinking about going FBL should go for it......Vbar anyway......
Im building a 700LE at the minute....once run in and happy with it im pretty sure that will have some Mikado magic aswell....

Ken

For whats available at the mo it is looking like a V-Bar.

But plus one Ken if its set up is wrong then your going to have problems flybar or no flybar.

Thanks

Paul

[acwman]

For whats available at the mo it is looking like a V-Bar.

But plus one Ken if its set up is wrong then your going to have problems flybar or no flybar.

Thanks

Paul

I really don't think that you will be disappointed with the V-Bar. Like yourself, I wanted to try a decent flybarless system out, and think that to compare with the vbar, it looks that you have to spend alot more on likes such as the gyrobot. The Vbar does seem to be the most widely used flybarless system, and you can get good help with it if you do run into any problems.

I've heard that some ppl going from flybarred to flybarless have found a 'disconnected' feeling with the heli; But I haven't really found anything negative about it..as of yet. I'm still on a learning curve, and haven't got into some of the more advanced 3d manoeuvres, and thinking maybe if I were at a higher level of flying and gone from flybarred to flybarless, I may have found the same? Other than that, I just find that with the vbar, everything is just so much more 'locked' in.

Good luck in your choice.. and you will have to let us know on how you find it.

[Airwolfie]

I would go with the V-bar, because it's GERMAN!!! Mikado does make some good stuff, and I have seen Sao's flying, it looks and sounds sooooooooooooo much better in the air! I want one as soon as I am brave(and rich!!) enough to go for my scale heli.

At the end of the day it is up to you what feels right, you have to fly it, and we can only stand aside and look at the result of your choice, good or bad!