If I was to go electric .....

[Farmer Giles]

Evening,

I'm getting naffed off not being able to set up the TT39 in my Raptor to get it to run smoothly. I have not totally given up with it yet but I haven't touched it for 2 weeks and have just been flying the 500, which is flying great at the moment no hastle, just plug and play...

This has got me thinking about getting a larger electric and giving nitro the old heave ho for the moment. From what I've seen and read there are three main options and they are T600E, Gaui 550 or the Outrage 550. There may be others but those seem to be the ones that stand out to me..

The 600E just seems too big and expensive for electric but what about the 550 options ?? I read a few of James' threads about his outrage 550 but it's now stripped and for sale and I know nothing about the Gaui.

So can any owners fill me in on the 550s, what are they like to fly and what lipos do they use, cost and availability of spares, reliability, build quality etc etc.. the usual stuff really..

cheers dears...

[gazza]

Hi mate,

Speaking from a former 600e owner then I would say steer well clear unless money is no object

It is Big, heavy & only good for Sport flying on 6S. Nothing too flash as it's waaay easy to bog the head & the 6S packs can be boiled alive doing it.
8S is the way to go, but of course that means ditching the Esc & motor that comes with the current kit & obviously packs are expensive.
Unless you pick up a cheap stripped out airframe with 8S in mind?

The Gaui you may struggle for spares & general support.
The outrage seems like a good heli plus it'll perform well on 6S & parts availability isn't an issue.

I'll let the 550 owners fill you in on the rest

[kenny.c]

Have you considered a Logo500.....ive managed to get most of my setup second hand and now im basically flying a 500 with a 600 boom running 550mm blades on 6s 5000mah....so its what most would call a 500se....

It an amazing heli...so good ive just sold my fav heli a Trex500 to fund extra packs and Vbar....Parts count is so low is funny....no bling....CNC were its needed and plastic on everything else.

If you keep an eye on the forums Logo's do come up for good money...

Ken

[Farmer Giles]

I do really like the look of the outrage and with lipo prices coming down over the last 6 months or so 6S packs are not massively expensive and I'm already set up with a charger for my 500 and servos and other electrics will transfer from my Raptor (assuming the full size servos are used) so it would purely be the cost of the heli, some electrics and some new packs offset against what I could sell the Raptor for..

hhmmmm.

[Farmer Giles]

how do the 550s rate size wise against my Raptor 30 and the 500 ??

I am guessing nearer the Raptor as they both use 550mm blades where the 500 uses 430mm..

[kenny.c]

Yes 550 machines are 30 size.....unless its got a longer boom like a Logo500SE which makes it closer to a 50 size machine. Even a 550 with a normal length boom is quite alot bigger than a Trex500

Ken

[trillian]

How about convert your Raptor to run a .50 engine and buy the OS 50 engine for sale on here for £65.00. You can definitely get the OS running well and it has tons more power.

Regarding the Gaui 550, it is a bit smaller. It might be a similar length with the stock boom but it is shorter and much lighter and more lightly constructed. I had one for a while but just found having to charge all those LiPos too tedious and I lost interest in it after a while.

[5exi]

Hi mate,

Speaking from a former 600e owner then I would say steer well clear unless money is no object

It is Big, heavy & only good for Sport flying on 6S. Nothing too flash as it's waaay easy to bog the head & the 6S packs can be boiled alive doing it.
8S is the way to go, but of course that means ditching the Esc & motor that comes with the current kit & obviously packs are expensive.
Unless you pick up a cheap stripped out airframe with 8S in mind?

The Gaui you may struggle for spares & general support.
The outrage seems like a good heli plus it'll perform well on 6S & parts availability isn't an issue.

I'll let the 550 owners fill you in on the rest

Sorry I totally disagree with your statement.

Yes the older 600E’s had issues motor shafts snapping etc, but the newer 600ESP is totally different upgraded motor / 100amp esc etc.

Yes it’s big it’s a 50 size heli , heavy not really compare it to 50 N filled up with fuel.

Don’t see anything wrong with this old set up 600E on a 6S pack


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8t41avFuCc&feature=related"]YouTube - TRex 600 Helicopter - Amazing Tricks[/ame]


If you’re a 3D nut why stop at 8S HV 12S is the way to go.

[gazza]

Yes I was referring to the old 600E which was commonly known as gutless and a pack boiler

Sorry I totally disagree with your statement.

Yes the older 600E’s had issues motor shafts snapping etc, but the newer 600ESP is totally different upgraded motor / 100amp esc etc.

Yes it’s big it’s a 50 size heli , heavy not really compare it to 50 N filled up with fuel.

Don’t see anything wrong with this old set up 600E on a 6S pack


YouTube - TRex 600 Helicopter - Amazing Tricks


If you’re a 3D nut why stop at 8S HV 12S is the way to go.

[Tim Procter]

Don’t see anything wrong with this old set up 600E on a 6S pack

That is a certain Mr Alan Szabo who could fly a dustbin lid and not bog it.

I had the older 600E with the XL motor using 6s.

Totally guttless for hard 3D.

[5exi]

Yes I was referring to the old 600E which was commonly known as gutless and a pack boiler

Don't know never had the older one did hear they weren't the best with a belt drive etc, but love my 600 ESP.

[5exi]

[quote=busterboy;354362]That is a certain Mr Alan Szabo who could fly a dustbin lid and not bog it./quote]

[GravityKills]

Go for a .50 motor, IMO. In UK, nitro fuel is so cheap, I wouldn't think twice.
Where I live, it's almost twice as expensive, and still I don't think I'm saving money with the electrics.

I've suffered from a TT motor myself in my Raptor - my first nitro heli and it was hell. Finally (after a flameout with autorotation ending underwater) I got the OS 50 and that one worked flawlessly ever since.

The Outrage 550 isn't too bad. It feels much more like a 600 than a 500.
I wasn't too happy with the stock head, because despite all the CNC bling it develops a lot of play. Now this doesn't really affect flying, but I had to change blade grip bearings several times.
Now I converted to flybarless and won't go back. The downside is, it's expensive and you throw away all the expensive parts above the swashplate. Over time, it will pay off since I get more flight time out of the packs.

I wouldn't waste my money on Align stock motor / ESC.

[moyesboy]

It can be argued that electric is cheaper to run than nitro. The nitro biys don't count in all their os50 hyper back bearings, piston rings, liners and plugs.
The electric boys don't count in the cost of a big charger (or second charger) and the lead acid leasure batteries (or generator) they use as a power source. Then they accept shorter flight times, wait duting the charge time, and have to lug all that charging kit about.
When you fly at a club and have to wait your turn sometimes yuo will find that theres nobody flying all the ime you are charging and then there is a big queue to fly once you are charged up. sods law.

The convenience and lower cost of nitro means if you go to the flying field for a while its a no brainer.
If you stop off at the flying field for a short time then electric has an advantage as long as you have pleanty of packs. That is what I do with my 500 and its three packs.

Sounds like what you need to do is swap the motor in your raptor 30. Rebuilding as a .50 is quite an expensive thing to do - better sell the .30 and buy a .50 raptor/600n instead.
..or just look for an OS.37 used - its also possible to fit an irvine 46 but I've not seen that combination fly.

[Farmer Giles]

How about convert your Raptor to run a .50 engine and buy the OS 50 engine for sale on here for £65.00. You can definitely get the OS running well and it has tons more power.

Do you mean convert it to a Raptor 50 or run the .50 engine in the 30 sized machine ?

I do have the OS37 engine that was replaced by the TT39 in my heli by the previous owner but is has no piston ring and I presume it was fubar'd since he replaced it with the TT39.

I could rebuild the OS37 with new bearings, rings etc but it could be no good anyway...

my only 'issue' with going electric is having enough lipos to make a trip to the field worth while but then that's part of the electric thing.