Uk 3d smackdown 2010

[moonmanflyer]

Not quite sure, and i apologise if i have missed it, where Craig has said UK champion Ash, surely it is just the smackdown champion??
I am fully behind Craig on this one, the clubman has gone, the masters has gone, and not everyone could afford/time to go to spain or wherever to compete, so having 2 or 3 events in the uk is surely a good thing, in 2007 people competed in the clubman and then masters, last year in the masters and then champs, and this year the parkhall a month before the champs, so whats the issue??
If pilot don't want to enter then they won't full stop.
Roll on UK comps

[Craig33]

Safe to say i dont think i will be travelling down to England 3 times in 3 months. Dont get me wrong i wish i could but just couldnt manage the time off/and or the cost of those back to back.

[Ashley Davis]

James, I don't want to continue replying to this thread as I said earlier but in answer to your questions .....

Craig implied the UK champion situation by replying to my comment that 'champions should be champion for a year' by saying 'not anymore'.....that seems clear enough to me.
As I have repeatedly said there is plenty of room for competitions but they need to target different pilots and abilities as most pilots do not have the time to produce different routines for each competition and it ruins other competitions by seeing the same routines repeated, this is my issue. This has not been the case in the past as I have also repeatedly commented on in that ........
Clubman 3D was originally for new pilots to 3D only, no competitors that have competed before.
3D Masters was for international competition, worldwide champion.
3D Champs was for UK pilots to fight out to be UK champion.

Each event has DIFFERENT pilots of differing abilities, and yes 'some' pilots did compete in more than one of them but in the main it was a different set of pilots competing.

What I don't want is all the same pilots being lined up to basically do the same comp they are going to do two months later. What we need is to target different pilots at differing levels of ability and introduce them to competition...... ie. more diversity, not more of the same. I hope that's clear now.

I am and always have been throught this thread in support of more competitions I just can't see much point in running essentially the exact same pilots through the same competition they are going to be doing two months later.

[StuSmith]

How about it being open to just european pilots? Different new? Food for thought

[waveydavey]

I think Craig should be applauded for having the will to host/organise an event, with all that goes with it. Fair play. However, I agree with Ash and we have to be careful that we encourage others, such as myself to compete. Not capable but enthusiastic. I cannot see the likes of me competing against Stefan etc let alone the best pilot in the world Duncan it's just not going to happen. We need a series of regional comps leading to the 3D champs in order to decide encourage all to take part. Having different comps across the country I agree will just lead to the same top pilots competing against each other and Duncan winning the ones he enters. If that situation is to change others need the chance to compete.

[David Drew]

As an observer, not pilot, I think a UK Champ should be the Champ for the year until next years event. But that assumes that there is a recognised championship that can't be trodden on by another 'championship'

So, for more than one event there needs to be a difference. Skill levels are a differentiator, but I guess the appeal of travelling to see a bunch of first-time contestants would not be the same as travelling to see the best the UK can offer - as per 3D Champs. So attendances would suffer & hence sponsorship and so on.

Personally, 3D does not really float my boat so if another event appears that is so similar to 3D Champs I would not go unless there was something different - like set-up workshops, scale displays and the chance to have a go without looking like a complete chump against the experts.

I loved being part of the 3D Champs organisation - a real privilege to be involved - but TBH once I've seen one Big Ben Tick Tock Clock Tower Tail Slide, I've seen them all. (slight clarification here, some of the demos were awesome, esp young Simmo's).

Personally, I would travel to see some lesser pilots trying their best to do some decent flying, of all types, in the hope of going on the 3D Champs later.

Sorry if this is dragging on, but I'm with Ash. Make it different. But make it happen.

Cheers

David

[moonmanflyer]

I think Craig should be applauded for having the will to host/organise an event, with all that goes with it. Fair play. However, I agree with Ash and we have to be careful that we encourage others, such as myself to compete. Not capable but enthusiastic. I cannot see the likes of me competing against Stefan etc let alone the best pilot in the world Duncan it's just not going to happen. We need a series of regional comps leading to the 3D champs in order to decide encourage all to take part. Having different comps across the country I agree will just lead to the same top pilots competing against each other and Duncan winning the ones he enters. If that situation is to change others need the chance to compete.

Craig is working on the format guys, i think all will be pleased, give him time to sort

[Ashley Davis]

I hope that some of what I (and others) have said rubs off in the format as I would much prefer to be able to be supportive than not.

[HuskyD]

Arrrgh! I'm going to hate myself in the morning for posting, but everyone seems to be skirting around the actual issue, which is:

If there are 2 UK Championships and a different person wins at each event, then how do you distinguish who is actually the UK's Champion?

It's normal in sporting events for many competitions to be held throughout the year, which is used as a selection process to find the finalists to enter the final round to find the champion, or it's done on points over the year. However this is "normally" promoted and run by the same organiser.
or
The events are totally unrelated and run by different promoters, drawing the same pilots in, but the "prize" and title is different.

I'm not taking sides, but a premier event needs to exist or both are just another event.
Also a word of caution if I may, internal bickering would just play into the hands of JaneK's absolute most favourite person in the world and would allow him or another to quietly step in whilst you are all distracted and pull the rug from under your feet. (Thankfully this is not happening, as it's just us bunch of onlookers slapping our gums and speculating )

[Tosh]

l don`t see the problem.
lf Craig manages too come up with a comp thats even better than the ones that are already running we all win. Then the others up their game and we all win again, thats competition. That is untill some money grabbing pillok decides to move it to Spain.

[HuskyD]

l don`t see the problem.
lf Craig manages too come up with a comp thats even better than the ones that are already running we all win. Then the others up their game and we all win again, thats competition. That is untill some money grabbing pillok decides to move it to Spain.

Let's say there's a UK Championship comp in May and one in September and I decided to run a Championship comp in June. Lets also assume that all the top pilots attend all three events and there are 3 different winners, who is crowned UK Champ, or do you suggest that in the model helicopter world it is possible to have 3 different UK champions depending on the month?

Without the three events being distinctly different or all three organisers working closely together to create one championship spread over 3 events, then it all ends up being a small time farce.

I believe in competition (not the competing at events type) in a free market, however this is not a economy based market we're talking about. IF the consensus of opinion was that the current 3D Championship was badly run, poorly managed and adversely affecting the sport, then I could understand and support someone coming and creating something better that the pilots preferred and we the paying public preffered.

I say all this from direct experience. I've seen it happen in a different sport for the last 10 years or so that I've been involved in. There have been various attempts to create championships by at least 5 different parties (governing bodies and promoters), all vying for UK Championship status and it's failed miserably each time, which has damaged the sport and ended up with championships being called off half way through the season. It all ends up being very political, organisers jumping in and out of bed with each other depending on who they want to squeeze out of the scene that year and you end up with a bunch of disillusioned competitors who don't know if they are coming or going and an equally confused and disenchanted paying public who eventually walk away in disgust. This is what really worries me, I enjoy this sport/hobby whatever you want to call it and I really enjoy watching the competitions to see who is going to be crowned the UK's number 1 pilot. If it all degenerates into a bun fight, then we all lose out.

However this is again all just speculation, as no official statement has been issued declaring anyone's intentions.

[Tosh]

l must have read over 100 posts on the 3D Championship, not one of them negative. l dont see why everyone is so worried. Personally l dont think Simmo will be able to out do Rob and Edders but he should definitely be able to give it a go. As for 3 different champions, we all know who is the best in the UK.

[Ads]

I say bring it on. More competitions can only raise the bar.

As a top competitor I think I deserve more than 1 opportunity (not inc 3D Masters) to beat Dunkan.

I enjoy competing and this would be at a great time of year to get ready and prepared for 3D Masters, also try out new routines and manoeuvres under the nerves of a real competition.

There's a big difference between doing a demo and a competition routine, I can practice both all day long, but if I screw up a demo its still all good. Screw up a competition routine and the pressure rises! Doing more and more comps is the only way to battle the nerves.

I cant see a problem of repetitiveness of routines, I would fully expect my routine to change after being influenced by 3D Masters.

I say definitely go for it Craig. The more events there are, the better.

[Ads]

Lets not kid ourselves here; we live in the UK!!! If 3D Champs becomes a washout, at least we would have had the opportunity to fly earlier in the year.

We have been lucky so far, but did you see the weekend after the 3D Champs?

[Tim Procter]

As for 3 different champions, we all know who is the best in the UK.

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