Uk 3d smackdown 2010

[Grant_beltcp]

I think other comps in the UK apart from the 3D champs should diversify abit - not use the Set manouvers, flight to music or anything like that.
Maybe even a freestyle flight to music, where you dont know what the trck is going to be untill the organisers play it That would be interesting!

Or set manouvers with made up ones. Things that people have not seen before - or atleast your variation of a manouver.

[jamiem]

Couldn't agree more Ash. As a first time competitor at the champs this year, the self imposed pressure was huge. I think what Ash is suggesting makes a lot of sense. Or perhaps re-write the format to be much more unique, to help prevent repeating routines, although this in itself could stop a lot of the "top" flyers competing as it would double every pilots work load.

I honestly think a lower entry requirement/skill level would be better to attract some good club flyers in to the idea of competing and pushing themseles. Whatever you do, good luck with it!

[waveydavey]

I started to write much the same post as Ash has but then deleted it as when I thought about it Craig has put a lot of energy into this, you may remember it was going to be this year and I didn't want to question it. However, I think much the same way as Ash in that I think the 3d Champs should be the culmination of regional rounds that make available the opportunity for club flyers to compete. Therefore the top pilots still end up at the champs and we get the chance to compete without the pressure of Duncan breathing down our necks.

[Ashley Davis]

I don't want to come across as trying to dampen spirits either (as mentioned in my first post), the fact that Craig wants to run a comp is commendable, I'm just hoping he will put that energy into creating something new and with appeal to other pilots rather than recreating 3D champs earlier in the year as I don't think that is needed.

[simm0]

i agree to a point.and im not really asking for approval.but like to hear your comments on the event.just a thought guys.i wouldnt want to run it like 3d champs or deter anyone competing in that competition and Rob and Edders can promote their event at ours or anyone else for that matter but 3d clubman was formed in 2005 when the masters was already running and had a sportman class and then 3d champions was born in 2007(i think) and there were already two competitions in the uk of a similar kind but they still formed,today we have 3d champs and clubman has gone and parkhall(which i thought was great)is to be comfirmed yet and no UK 3D MASTERS .i will hold another event in the uk.and you can enter if you like the system or not if you dont..but to be fair im still planning the system im going to use
regards craig simmons

[barney]

Yes and know there are advantages to both. It gives more pilots the oppurtunity to enter as they will live closer to some events. Also it allows us to create a leauge as such in a similiar idea as the F3n format. when good pilots fly together and everyone around them benifits.

The 3D Scotland event will be using a unique format that will hopefully bridge the gap between lower level pilots and eliminate the possibility of pilots being in the wrong groups at this point in time I can't be more specific at the mo some other things are in place.

Overall I see room for 4 x 3 D events UK wide cheers Brian

[Ashley Davis]

I agree we had three competitions before .....

Clubman .... originally this has a restricted entry in that it was for unknown pilots only, if you had already competed in a 3D event you were not allowed entry. It only changed when Jeff Barringer dropped the sportsman class and for me that ruined Clubman.
3D Masters .... an international event so nothing to do with running events for UK pilots.
3D Champs .... a UK 3D championship

All these events were significantly different enough to exist in there own right in the UK. Creating two UK 3D events doesn't make sense......lets say Duncan wins one and for sake of argument Steve Gerrard wins the other, who's the best UK pilot?
I'm kinda with Barney in that these things either all need tying together (based on regional entry or whatever) OR focusing in different areas of the sport like Clubman used to be.

[simm0]

i bet duncan wanted another competition after losing because of his main gear in 3d champs 2008.and then he had to wait for 2009 a whole year.i bet he wished there was another uk compeition that year.
one competition for the top pilots in the uk is just stupid.the competition pilots wants to compete and yes there need to be a section or comp for the rookies coming into 3d
cheers craig..ashley if you dont mind me ashing why didnt you compete in 3d champs this year

[Ashley Davis]

I dropped out to film the 3D champs as Rob was let down by his videographer only two weeks prior to the event.

It's right that Duncan waited a year to get revenge, that's the point of most competitions, you get to be champion for a year, not 2 months.

[simm0]

not any longer dude its gunna happen
thanks for the comments
craig simmons

[Ashley Davis]

OK, I think this totaly muddies the whole point of having the UK 3D champs and devalues the work of Rob and Edders in setting up the UK 3D Champs........ you can't have two competitions with the same goal (ie UK champion) and I can't support what seems to be an effort to do just that. Please re-think this Craig as it seems to me you are 'listening to comments' but totally ignoring them.

I've said what I think are very sensible suggestions to help the competition scene, which is what I thought you were also trying to do.......to me this is now clearly heading in the opposite direction and seems to be a takover bid with 3D Champs.

[simm0]

you've got some funny ideas ashley.thinking im trying to outdo or take over just reflect on your thinking..its not the case
i will be having an addition to..take a look at the brca car racing diary,im glad you not involved in that
craig simmons

ps, hi ashley this is stefan

i personally like to do more then just one uk competition, one or two isnt filling my diary enough and i would like to see more competitions being held, therefore more flying, and more fun.it was to late for myself and andy johnstone to enter the champs.and i dont really want to wait till next year to apply, more competitions the better i say

stefan

[SRH990]

A couple of years ago I'm sure there were at least a couple of Clubman 3DX comps plus 3DM plus Clubman 3D so I don't see that starting a new competition next year to add to Clubman 3D is going to be a problem. The circumstances of each competition is different, site layout, weather etc. so there's no guarantee that you'll see the same pilots winning. It would certainly be useful to have more regional competitions which give more people the chance to compete and spectate which surely would only be good for Clubman 3D?

Look at most sports, they don't hold only one tennis grand slam competition just because they have the same players, using the same equipment playing on similar courts, winners do vary and, dare I say, if our top 3D pilots were competing in more competitions, isn't this likely to drive the standards of flying up?

[SRH990]

I've said what I think are very sensible suggestions to help the competition scene, which is what I thought you were also trying to do.......to me this is now clearly heading in the opposite direction and seems to be a takover bid with 3D Champs.

I think this is a little unreasonable Ash, 3D champs will always stand on it's own merits and while I fully support Rob & Edders, if someone wants to try and compete let them try - they can but fail.

[Ashley Davis]

BRCA racing is held across different tracks at different events in several different classes and each event is a race held under exacly the same rules just on a different track. The winner is the winner of the event and I suspect over a season you can be a champion of the UK if you won the most points in your class over all the various events.

All very sensible.

Now lets take this situation....... two events that both lead to the UK champion, two months apart........ NOT sensible.

Two of us already suggested doing something different and similar to BRCA, regional events, lower level class events etc ....... ignored.

If you want to run a 3D comp then fine, go for it but please position it appropriately, it isn't to decide UK champion, that competition already exists. If you want to call it the 'smackdwon cup' or something that would be better but billing it up to be a UK championship just isn't right, in fact it's a bit offensive given all the work Rob and Edders have done.

I'll step out of this as I can see this is heading for the popcorn and I've done my entertaining for this year.