RJX Xtreme 90

[ChrisB]

[Timmy Mallet]

Another typical RJX Sunday for Counrty & Western - and Timmy Mallet as well!!! Country & Western did his first proper auto today as his tail linkage on his X50 came off. He did a very nice flip but then went straight into a piro. He realised that his tail had failed so he hit throttle hold and did extremely well at auto-ing it down without any damage. I hold my hand up to you C&W!!!

Then when Timmy Mallett arrived at the field with his X50 he had a main gear failure and had to auto it down (again without any damage). His clutch liner also seems to be slipping down out of the clutch bell.

As for the 600's and my 700 well I can report that nothing failed!!! Qal turned up and borrowed my 700. He flew it very nice indeed with some VERY low inverted hovering. I was slightly papping myself as my 700 is only a week old. But very well done Qal - superb flying.

Will report next week on the RJX reliability!!!

TIN TIN,
For the record, i would like you to note:- that the |RRX was screaming arround the sky's for 2 full tanks of fuel and was being pushed verry hard!!!! Not like your trex machines being hovered like a pussy!!!!!!!!!. I admit when Qal got hold of it it did do a lot more work, but again non of it was hard on the machine. Oh did you also mention that your tail wouldnt hold on the 700 with some revers loops!!!!!

[Qal]

Timmy Mallet, The Trexs at our field never fail and the RJX are continually needing work. This is coz the RJX flies true and accurate and inspires the pilot to push the flight envelope causing more fatigue and crashes, while the Trexs just manage a hover or stay warm in the back of some posh car.

The evidence is visible in how much progress you, C&W and Dave have made with the RJX and all the trex pilots keep failing their A tests. LOL

[Nutter]

Timmy Mallett

I admit you are a better pilot than I am, but this discussion is not about who's the best flyer, it's about RJX reliability issues recently. As for you pushing your X50 hard on Sunday. I very much disagree about that. You were only flying fast banked turns, a few flips and inverted hovering - hardly "screaming round the sky" don't you think.

As for the tail on my 700 not holding in reverse loops, well don't you have a short memory! Because after changing the gyro gain from 40 to the magic number 37, I seem to recall that Qal said it was much better!!! Anyway, at least my 700 was doing inverted loops, where was your X50? Grounded due to main gear failure. Where was C&W's X50? Grounded due to tail linkage failure.



Qal

All 3 of my Align helis flew on Sunday and were not sat in the back of my posh car!! Where was your new X90? Oh I forgot, your still waiting for a new head block as the one in the kit is faulty is it not? Would C&W and Dave have progressed to where they are now with another heli apart from an X50? Well, who knows.


I first saw the 700 and X90 at the 3DX Clubmans championships. The X90 sat in the pits as Rainman daren't fly it due to lack of spares. What has happened since then. Well, the 700 has won the 3D Masters and the 3DX Championship. Can you buy an X90 yet? No, aprt from the 10 pre-porduction models that have been sold, due to RJX re-designing the tail grips due to vibration problems when running carbon paddles. How many 700's have been sold since the 3DX Clubmans?

Over to you now Timmy Mallet!!!!

[steelie600]

TIN TIN,
For the record, i would like you to note:- that the |RRX was screaming arround the sky's for 2 full tanks of fuel and was being pushed verry hard!!!!

Errr no it wasnt you were just making the blades fart in turns!!!!, the rexes were just hovering and genteel stuff tho until qal came along and even then he was taking it very easy and smooth with em

[Rainman]

The X90 sat in the pits as Rainman daren't fly it due to lack of spares. What has happened since then. Well, the 700 has won the 3D Masters and the 3DX Championship. Can you buy an X90 yet? No, aprt from the 10 pre-porduction models that have been sold, due to RJX re-designing the tail grips due to vibration problems when running carbon paddles. How many 700's have been sold since the 3DX Clubmans?

As my late father would say " there is a word I am looking for......but bollocks will do!"

The reason the X-treme 90 did not fly at the clubmans was because I had only finished it a few days earlier and had not had the chance to run the engine in or test the machine. The lack of spares available at the time ( it was a prototype!!!) would not make a difference to me, after all its not my machine I was flying the prototype X-Treme 50 for months before they were available and the lack of spares for the prototype made no difference to me then either! In fact over 18 months later and despite having been flown by a large number of fliers from beginners to 3D masters level - The only part to break or wear out has been the main gear. This was changed to the helical gear system and has been perfect ever since.

I have been running the 90 for a few months now with the stock tail and have suffered no failures. Watching young Stephan throw it around at North Notts no-one could be in any doubt about it's performance.

Most of the top pilots fly what there sponsors want. You cannot fault Align on this - they have it right - they have bought the best pilots, and gave incentives for those who are not sponsored to fly with their products. They also have a large marketing budget and spend it well. However I will wait for the MK 2 version before I look at the 700. By then these teething problems which every helicopter gets should have been sorted. RJX seem to have a slightly different policy in that they let the prototypes out first and listen to the feedback.

Still waiting for my invitation back across to your club to take you and a few of your friends for their A tests. What will you use? Your 450 / 500 / 600 or 700 - or would you like to use my X-Treme 50 again I might even let you fly the X-treme 90, but I would have to tune it down on the programmable head first!


Richard

[robgt]

Just sticking my oar in... but helicopters don't win competitions... pilots do

I wonder if Goldie Lookin Chain could rap that one

LOL
Cheers,
Rob

[steelie600]

As my late father would say " there is a word I am looking for......but bollocks will do!"

The reason the X-treme 90 did not fly at the clubmans was because I had only finished it a few days earlier and had not had the chance to run the engine in or test the machine. The lack of spares available at the time ( it was a prototype!!!) would not make a difference to me, after all its not my machine I was flying the prototype X-Treme 50 for months before they were available and the lack of spares for the prototype made no difference to me then either! In fact over 18 months later and despite having been flown by a large number of fliers from beginners to 3D masters level - The only part to break or wear out has been the main gear. This was changed to the helical gear system and has been perfect ever since.

I have been running the 90 for a few months now with the stock tail and have suffered no failures. Watching young Stephan throw it around at North Notts no-one could be in any doubt about it's performance.

Most of the top pilots fly what there sponsors want. You cannot fault Align on this - they have it right - they have bought the best pilots, and gave incentives for those who are not sponsored to fly with their products. They also have a large marketing budget and spend it well. However I will wait for the MK 2 version before I look at the 700. By then these teething problems which every helicopter gets should have been sorted. RJX seem to have a slightly different policy in that they let the prototypes out first and listen to the feedback.

Still waiting for my invitation back across to your club to take you and a few of your friends for their A tests. What will you use? Your 450 / 500 / 600 or 700 - or would you like to use my X-Treme 50 again I might even let you fly the X-treme 90, but I would have to tune it down on the programmable head first!


Richard

ill take you up on the go of the x90 but leave the head alone!!!!! I like em fast

[Nutter]

Richard

Fair enough about the X90 at the Clubmans Championships. However it seems that at two very important public heli competitions where potential heli buyers attend that the X90 did not perform well due to engine problems? Surely they should have had better preparation? It was the same at 3D Masters 2007 with the X50 - again when Shane did a demo flight, it did not perform to its full potenital due to a new engine being fitted and still tight. So thats 3 major public shows that the X50 and X90 have not performed properly. As for the 3DX Clubmans, well you could have very easily walked past the X90 without seeing it. It was down in one corner of the pits. Perhaps better marketing is needed!!!!

Do you think that RJX have the right policy in letting out the prototypes out first and listening to the feedback? Well Country & Western brought this up when I was talking to him. It's not good PR doing it that way. What do you think? It means that production kits are still not available 3 or 4 months down the line.

I still think the X50 is a great heli but I'm only reporting the problems we've been having with the X50's at our club. As for coming to our club and doing our A test, well yes I'll probably be doing it with my 450/500/600/700 or even a 250!!!! But then you'll probably fail me for having too much Futaba stuff!!! (Only kidding..............)

[Tim Procter]

Just sticking my oar in... but helicopters don't win competitions... pilots do

Shhhhhh don't spoil it Rob..

I like watching the kids squabble..

[robgt]

LOL
Sorry... pulling my oar back out again

Ding ding... round, erm... 7??!!

LOL
Cheers,
Rob

[Rainman]

Hi Paul

I just build and evaluate helicopters as asked.....I have no control / input or interest into the marketing and have no experience in that field.
The 3D masters 2007 saw the launch of the X-Treme50, However the only production sample arrived with the RJX boss on the Friday. The new YS engine did not co-operate. Lack of planning or just trying hard to get the product on demonstration at the most prestigious competition in the world? Same could be said for 2008. If the engines had worked then all would have been well. Sometimes Time, Circumstance, and people are not on your side.

Do you think that RJX have the right policy in letting out the prototypes out first and listening to the feedback? - Not for me to say but an alternative is to rush out a product and let the customers act as evaluation pilots and complain about all the failures or hold back the helicopter for years hoping to rectify every single fault - Do any of these other routes seem the right way?

Reliability on any helicopter is down to many factors - however the builder/ flyer/ maintainer is the one most in control of reliability. A helicopter that has just been crashed may take some time to get back to full reliabilty. There are also parts failures to consider. A troll through the forums will show failures on every helicopter ever produced. I work as an engineer in the fire protection industry where every part is evaluated and approved. I am still kept very busy going around and fixing the things My X-Treme 50 has proved to be one of the most durable and reliable helicopters on my fleet (and I have about 25 machines including your precious Aligns!!) I have only changed a maingear - everything else is original. The X-Treme 90 looks like giving the same reliability to me, but I prefer a year to pass on a machine before I can give a proper verdict.

As for the XT90 as the clubmans - it was there because I took it! It was placed next to my other helis - No marketing by me!!

As for coming to our club and doing our A test, well yes I'll probably be doing it with my 450/500/600/700 or even a 250!!!! But then you'll probably fail me for having too much Futaba stuff!!! (Only kidding..............)

I await your invite

Richard

[simm0]

guys/guys/guys calm down

firstly i agree rjx havn't had enought coverage at all..but thats about to change
also..i instantly noticed the rjx and i then asked ade law what it was.
and didnt it make top five at clubman 3d and be under no mistake the rjx is for SURE a top helicopter ability wise and we hav'nt had a problems.as for helicopters winning competitions stefan won with MY raptor 90 3d.which i was happy with because it made me feel better that my raptor still has the ability to perform well.it had no governor and was running the unknown ht blades.and 15% nitro/so i feel he's been let down by his helicopters at late.and talking to the judges they mentioned they liked the way stefan controlled the raptor though the power hungry big bens etc..so do you guys really think in 2009 im going to restrict my sons ability with a 2nd rate helicopter.when i have a model shop and could choose any helicopter we like..
i made stefan fly the raptor at clubman but thats all done and hes does k3 tricks since then and the rjx is eating them up for tea
been building the 90 today and ill say its stunning.i quite like trex's really but that 700 really concerns me.guys stefan flew richards heli at northnotts and he liked it.i keep the trex bearings in my flight box to remind me of how they feel after 40 flight and thats almost seized and when im tempted i read the new post on here and runryder and see all the bad press that trex owners are reporting
so guys keep it fun/the slagging and be play nice
regards craig simmons
ps have you guys seen rotorworld with stef in..i aint

[Nutter]

Richard

Fair comments. I was not getting at you at all about the marketing and presenting the X90 to the public. I was just making a statement - you know what I mean. I know you are given the helis to evaluate and report back any problems.

Going back to the RJX demos at the 3DM 2007 and 2008. Why were new engines fitted when they were about to be displayed at such events. Surely a run-in engine could have been fitted donated from another machine?

I know this post is mainly the RJX lads versus the Align crew having a bit of banter, but seriously I did like my X50, but for what it cost compred to other helis and the agro it gave me, I had to get rid of it. If the X50's at our club fly well next Sunday, then I will report and praise it as necessary. If any of my Aligns fail then I will also report that as well. What I have said on this post is the absolute truth as I see it.

Anyway, what do you think of the 700 and have you flown one yet?

[simm0]

hi nutter
so we are having loads of fun and no problems.so hows that working them.i can only speak in a honest way.and no problems.i totally believe you and agree.but hope you believe me too.
my friend purchased a rjx 50 the other day.the guy went to align helicopters after having peoblems with his xtreme 50.i went and looked at the new helicopter it was terrible.he stripped it down and started again..he purchased the helicopter after seeing how good ours was..all my mate said was look what this muppets done to this helicopter
cheers craig simmons