600n vs knight3D

[Ashley Davis]

I think what gets said here gets taken far to far out of context. When we fly models and try out other peoples stuff you have differences in setup to take into account, different tx, different servos, all kinds of stuff comes into play. So when you make a call on what had more collective or less cyclic or flew straighter or wonky or whatever it's only based upon what you have flown and how it felt at the time.

What I meant by saying faster servos won't change collective pop is that putting faster servos on a standard K3D wouldn't increase it's collective pop to excel over a 600N. Of course it would improve the K3D over one with slow servos. This is just my opinion from flying both, bear in mind that the 600N usually has a higher headspeed so collective absolutely should have more pop than the slightly slower head of the K3D.

What I will say is this, I don't recommend one model over the other, they are different that is all. One doesn't massively outfly the other and anyone who tells you otherwise is really not being very honest. It's down to personal preference, both machines are capable of delivering very competent 3D performance, well beyond what most are capable of teaching their thumbs to do. Pick the one you like the look of and have fun. If either machine was a steaming pile of crap we wouldn't be here picking over cyclic and collective responses, take the Century Hawk as an example, anyone wanna point me to a thread where that machine is being compared at a picky detail level?

[LipolyGone]

I wasnt comparing it to the sport I was comparing it to my knight 3d e but your right my setup sux at the moment. That said I am enjoying the heli Rob, its far better than my trex 600 e ever was & it will get better once I get better at tweeking the setups. I guess I'm realy just saying the Align is plug & play the Knight needs a little more setting up to realy get the best from it.
Martin

[Ashley Davis]

I'm not suprised Martin, the K3De is an 8S machine with far more power available to it than a 6S 600E. The stock 600E is underpowered in my view and needs 8S to get the best out of it, Align got it wrong going 6S in my opinion.
Having said that, nobody would have gone for 8S when they originally launched it but times have moved on.

[3dbasher]

i prefer the knight had both..so much so i got an electic one on the build

[moyesboy]

With the 600n I had some money to spend and bought all the best electrics.
The night is a much cheaper setup, it was a used airframe.

Ive just been flying the knight until the fog made my manoevres uncomfortably small and scarily close (then I swapped to the 450 ). I couldn't get out today until evening.
Maybe my title for this thread was wrong - its not a back to back comparison because the servos etc are not even similar performance. But I'm getting toward a satisfying performance out of both helis and somehow I think swapping between the two helis makes me appreciate the best points of both.
Both are considerably better than the raptor for 3D type manoevres. That was the plan. I like both helis so I still have a nice one to fly if one is out of action (but having too the same would be too boring just now).

I had an interesting drive home tonight. I happened upon 3 youths wandering about the road all covered in blood after getting out of a wrecked car - no other vehicles involved...I stayed with them until the ambulance arrived (they were OK, just gruesome to look at). After the ambulance a car arrived with their girlfriends on board - that was an even more gruesome sight

[Bigbellypopper]

Interesting debate, one that we haven't had for at least 3 months

I have a Knight 3D and a Trex 600N, and both of these helis have vastly more ability than I will ever have. I bet that goes for most of us apart from the gifted few (although we don't like to admit it)

I fly with Will Walker, who came second at the Clubman 3D this year. He flies a bog standard Trex 600N, and can make a Sceadu or Raptor (and probably a Shuttle for that matter) fly better than I can make my fully blinged Trex or Knight look.

Cheers
Russ

[moyesboy]

It was a shock when the bigger align heli turned out to be 50 size.
I think it would have made more sense if it had been the 500 first.

[3dbasher]

my knight specs btw JR 8231's on CCPM, Cyclock, revlock 30 (gov mode only at the mo) V blades(v2's), NHP 95 tails, midi size hitec digi on the throttle (i forget the number and can't be arsed to check) 720 gyro with 8900g carbsmart with HS 56, arizona reg with 2400mah relion @ 5.6v
i've done the tail servo mod to the front and the grip flip also delta offset i used a 1.5mm washer..i'm playing at the moment,using light raptor paddles and weights nearly all the way in.
wildcat 3DLV, OS hyper, hatori 522, HS@ 2050rpm +- 11 degrees of collective
anything else you wanna know

[rspblake]

Don't tell any one He He, but some people like the Knight nitro and feel it flies more constant / locked than the Knight electric, but I am sure it's down to so many other factors and the electric flies like it on steroids.

We are still working to improve all the models, it just getting harder as they get closer to what we feel the best it can be.

But I am sure that a nitro / electric debate.

[jiberjaber]

LOL fame at last!