Nose down wall?

[gazmk2]

Hey guys

I'm starting to try and branch out into some of the harder moves and one I've been trying lately has been a nose down wall.

The problem is mine suck! They either don't work at all or look more like a flying bike that's done an endo! What is the technique for getting one of these right?

Cheers

Gary

[myxiplx]

I started by working on circles and figure 8's, it helps your fingers learn the motions and how to adjust the speed and direction. To begin with, work on a walking pace nose in circle. Work on controlling the speed (aileron) and size (elevator/rudder) of the circle. As you get more comfortable, start to increase the bank angle of the move.

What I used as my practice move for a long time was to work on all orientations of figure-8's, because that gives you the foundations for all the funnels and hurricanes. I'll do a normal figure-8, then as I complete it I bring the tail round 90 degrees, and do another figure-8 sideways, which will force you to practice both a nose in and tail in circle. Then as you complete that, bring the tail round 90 degrees again and you're now doing a backwards fig-8. then one final rotation to practice the other side.

Practising those upright and inverted gets you very comfortable flying in any direction. Which helps with all the funnels and hurricanes, and is also a big help in bailing out of a move if something goes wrong. Being able to fly sideways can be a useful skill to have!

[gazmk2]

I've been working on inverted and reverse flight lately too. I can comfortably fly nose first inverted, not had a go at tail first yet. Reverse upright is shaky but making progress. To make things a little more interesting I keep picking a certain move to try, started simple and then worked my way up to more complex ones (although I've admitted defeat on piroflips!!)

The next move I fancied try was a nose down wall, like I said above, I can sort of get the approximate move but it's very messy and fairly often just results in my doing half a front flip!

So what is the correct technique to get this move to look as it should?

[Thor]

Here's a short description and video, in case it helps any: Wall

[myxiplx]

Just work on the nose in circle, once you can fly a good consistent circle just increase the angle a little and speed it up. It'll take a while for your reflexes to adapt to it, but with enough practice it'll click.

If you're learning another good move to work on is a slow pirouette, the slower the better, but around 10s for a full revolution is about what you need to aim for. Practice a CW and CCW rotation, but you'll find these are great for learning your orientations. Once you can comfortably keep the helicopter in one place, try to drift it in a straight line while piro'ing, then try a square, then a circle. Once you're comfortable with those, increase the pace a little.

If you get those piro moves down it will help all your orientations, and it's a great foundation for learning piro flips later on (although you really need to have inverted piro's cracked as well before you start those!).

[tomatwalden]

Just work on the nose in circle, once you can fly a good consistent circle just increase the angle a little and speed it up. It'll take a while for your reflexes to adapt to it, but with enough practice it'll click..

I think you're confusing a "nose down wall" with a "wall of death". Only vid I can find is below, but a nose down wall is straight level FFF, followed by elevator nose down and hard on the collective to abruptly stop the forward motion (the wall)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2x8wavWNKw

[waveydavey]

I wouldn't spend much time on it Gaz, out of fashion just like my wardrobe Rolling and piro manoeuvres is where it's at.

[Rachel]

the most exciting part of a well executed "nose down wall" is when it chops the boom off!!!! mawhahahaha

[gazmk2]

Lol. I'd hope that wouldn't happen on mine! I've concluded that pirouetting manoeuvres are just beyond me. The closest I can get is a half piro/half flip at the same time.

I like the idea of a really slow pirouette though, I might throw that one in while I'm flying next.

[Rachel]

ref piroflips , I was / am very slow to learn them but here is how I did it ..... don't just madly stir the sticks .... go for a half piro flip first from upright tail in to inverted tail in , (ie one piro per half flip)
Start by pushing forward hard and at the same time add a short jab of posative collective and the apropriate tail ( i go stick in ,nose right) so my cyclics go forward and then an anticlockwise stir....
You will find two things , the push forward and the pull backwards require a very hard cyclic input ,....
concentrate on two things when you see the tail come round.... as it points to you it must be level and inline with the start position !!! I can't express how important that is ......
do that a milion times and move on to the second half ....
when you can piroflip it opens up a whole new world,.... ie transitions etc.... but I still feel a piroflip on its own is an ugly move ....

[myxiplx]

I think you're confusing a "nose down wall" with a "wall of death". Only vid I can find is below, but a nose down wall is straight level FFF, followed by elevator nose down and hard on the collective to abruptly stop the forward motion (the wall)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2x8wavWNKw

Yeah..... gonna hold my hands up to this one, I'm talking about a totally different move. Whoops!