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    The EU is being urged to create an online register of drone owners.
    The recommendation was made by the House of Lords EU Committee, which has been looking into what rules are needed to safeguard the use of unmanned aircraft.
    It suggests the database would initially include businesses and other professional users, and then later expand to encompass consumers.

    However, one expert questioned how useful such a register would be.
    The committee's report warned that over-regulation risked stifling the drone industry, estimating that it could be responsible for creating as many as 150,000 jobs across Europe by 2050.

    Even so, it suggested that creating the database would help the authorities manage and keep track of drone traffic.
    In addition, it made several other recommendations, including:
    Greater use of geo-fencing - programming drones not to be able to take off from or fly into certain locations based on their GPS co-ordinates. This could include airports, prisons and other high risk sites
    Clearer guidance for police about how they should enforce existing safety rules
    The use of a kite mark or other logo to denote drones that have been classed as safe to use
    More guidance to be given to commercial drone operators about what insurance cover they need to buy

    "We have a huge opportunity to make Europe a world leader in drone technology," said committee chairwoman Baroness O'Cathain.
    "But there's also a risk. It would just take one disastrous accident to destroy public confidence and set the whole industry back.
    "So, we need to find ways to manage and keep track of drone traffic.
    "That is why a key recommendation is that drone flights must be traceable, effectively through an online database, which the general public could access via an app."

    The UK's current regulations are set by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA).
    It prohibits unmanned aircraft from flying closer than 150m (492ft) to any congested area, or within 50m (164ft) of any vessel, vehicle or structure that is not in the control of the person in charge of the aircraft.
    The CAA typically bans the use of drones weighing over 20kg (44lb), but lower than that weight they can be used if they remain in the operator's line of sight.
    The Lords suggest that the media will increasingly use drones to take photographs and video if regulations do not stifle the activity

    A report by the University of Birmingham last year noted that awareness and observance of the regulations was "limited in practice", and added that the UK's Air Traffic Control's system were inadequate to cope with the expected rise in the use of the aircraft.
    One of the experts quoted in the report told the BBC he was concerned that the Lords' suggestions did not go far enough.
    "Law abiding citizens are likely to register, but it would be very difficult to stop terrorists and other criminals from purchasing drones abroad and then using them here," said Prof David Dunn, who has written about the matter for The Royal Institute of International Affairs.
    "The technologies have the capacity to crash into people and kill them, as they have done in the States, or indeed they can potentially be used to fly into the engines of jets creating a mechanical bird-strike effect. Some of them can be used to carry 1kg [2.2lb] of weight - so they could be used to carry explosives or indeed to spray vapour.
    "Up until now it was expensive and required skill to be able to fly an aircraft - which acted as a form a regulation in itself. Now, you can fly these things relatively easily over people's heads.
    "I'm not sure this has been thought through as much as it might have been."

    By contrast, the committee highlights drones' potential for good - carrying out "dull, dirty or dangerous jobs" including goods deliveries, search-and-rescue operations and geographic surveys.
    The Economist newspaper has also pointed out that drones can be used to improve - rather than threaten - public safety, by making it relatively cheap to inspect wind turbines for cracks and carry out power-line inspections.

    However, one expert from Imperial College noted that if the EU's use of drones rose as quickly as the Lords suggested, then the public's tolerance for related accidents would likely be put to the test.
    "It's the scale of the accidents that I'm worried about," explained Dr Ravi Vaidyanathan.
    "If a drone flying at relatively low speed scratches the side of my car and I have to get it fixed, but the drone's owner or manufacturer's insurance covers the costs, then I think there is a high tolerance for things like that.
    "But if, for example, a drone cuts someone or hits the windshield of a car forcing it off the road, then I don't think the public is going to accept that."
    BBC News - Drone owners register called for by House of Lords


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    Just seem this on news.

    Didnt spot your thread and started one

    not surprised it's going this way with the amount being sold to idiots who have no care on how there flown

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    • #3
      "Law abiding citizens are likely to register, but it would be very difficult to stop terrorists and other criminals from purchasing drones abroad and then using them here," said Prof David Dunn, who has written about the matter for The Royal Institute of International Affairs.

      "The technologies have the capacity to crash into people and kill them, as they have done in the States, or indeed they can potentially be used to fly into the engines of jets creating a mechanical bird-strike effect. Some of them can be used to carry 1kg [2.2lb] of weight - so they could be used to carry explosives or indeed to spray vapour.
      What a numpty...

      Law abiding citizens are also likely to drive registered, MOT's taxed and insured cars but it's very difficult to stop criminals stealing and using them. Should we ban cars too?

      Has a drone crashed into and killed a person? Or is he talking about an RC helicopter?

      I don't think they will ban drones. There's too much potential VAT revenue from sales when they become more main stream, and made by companies like Samsung and Sony. My suspicion is they will class all RC models as drones and charge a registration fee. More revenue to be made.

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      • #4
        What exactly is now classed as a drone ? A few years back is was a remotely controlled war machine that could observe and film or if needed drop weapons. If I stick FPV stuff on my planks or helis are they then classed as drones when I fly them. Just thinking back to days gone by when I had to go to the Post Office and pay for my licence to operate radio control equipment ( single channel at that time ), it was in old money under 10 bob can't remember exactly how much. Maybe we have gone full circle and are going back down that route, difficult to police so really can't see everyone forking out a fee if they can get away with it if that's the way things go.
        Last edited by Phill. H; 05-03-2015, 09:21 AM.
        Too many helis and planks, well that's what she says.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Phill. H View Post
          difficult to police so really can't see everyone forking out a fee if they can get away with it if that's the way things go.
          It depends to what extent they regulate it. I think we all agree that all RC pilots should have insurance, so a lot of us (pilots) are registered already with either BMFA or RCHA. The problem arises with registering models. What are you actually registering? The air frame, the receiver or the entire model? What happens if you crash and rebuild the air frame from a new kit? What happens if you switch from Spektrum to Futaba?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mahbouni View Post
            ....The problem arises with registering models. What are you actually registering? The air frame, the receiver or the entire model? What happens if you crash and rebuild the air frame from a new kit? What happens if you switch from Spektrum to Futaba?
            This is all covered by the existing CAA rules. Each model has an operations manual and that includes a photo and description of all major components. If you crashed and needed insurance and the components where different then you are uninsured etc... You register all changes to your ops manual and send a copy to the CAA

            Regarding - What is a drone. It is and always has been a remotely operated airborne vehicle - not a war machine. There are two types Those with data collection capabilities (cameras, airspeed, height etc) and those without, but both are drones and yes that includes helis and planes as well as multis and war machines.

            IMHO The only enforceable solution is ban all flight from un registered areas, inform the local police of all registered areas, anyone outside that area needs to provide proof of commercial certificate and appropriate area flight exemptions or they get there stuff confiscated.


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            • #7
              Drone owners register? Wow…

              Sex offenders have to sign a register, only once they have been caught though. I wonder if the Drone owners register will operate in a similar way?!

              Its obviously because all Drone owners are obviously peeping tom style sex offenders… or thats what people must believe?! Maybe by starting a Drone register they are actually launching a cunning pre emptive snare to catch the countries pervs and voyeurs lol
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hedge View Post
                This is all covered by the existing CAA rules. Each model has an operations manual and that includes a photo and description of all major components. If you crashed and needed insurance and the components where different then you are uninsured etc... You register all changes to your ops manual and send a copy to the CAA
                But those rules are for professional drone use. They're not practical for hobbyists who like to build and modify. If they enforce that on normal RC planes and helicopters then it will kill the hobby.

                Originally posted by hedge View Post
                IMHO The only enforceable solution is ban all flight from un registered areas, inform the local police of all registered areas, anyone outside that area needs to provide proof of commercial certificate and appropriate area flight exemptions or they get there stuff confiscated.
                That could work but I wouldn't want to live in a police state where I can't even fly my mCPX in my back garden.

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                • #9
                  I think licensing them would make some sense (and a bit of money) for controlling their legitimate distribution and usage - much like cars or guns for example. As for the sinister side, I guess they are another viable terrorist weapon (of which there are many) which you can't really do anything about.
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                  • #10
                    IMO these things should not be sold to anyone until at least you can prove your a member of the BMFA/RCHA/AHA etc I know thats not going to stop alot of these incidents but its a start. They cannot tar us all with the same brush. Ive been flying models for 14 years+ now and it just seems that its us lot that have been in the hobby for a long time that will ultimately suffer.
                    Being put on a register makes it sounds like we are all bloody paedophiles!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Made2Fade View Post
                      ...they cannot tar us all with the same brush..
                      Unfortunately its already happened, while the headline is DRONE, the next mention is generally unmanned aircraft.

                      There is no way out of this rabbit hole. To the untrained eye - or to put it another way the people tasked with enforcing the law- there is no difference between a heli and a multi and no difference between a plane and a glider. So with no visual clue as to what it is that's flying in the sky the only answer is to remove them all, or move them all to designated places - clubs, common land, open areas etc. This way if you see one outside a designated area then feel free to go and confront the pilot - no argument about whether its got a flight controller or capable of autonomous flight or armed with a camera - just get it down and produce the paper work that allows you to fly it or have it confiscated.

                      Ultimately that will also effect you in your back garden with your MCPX etc which is a crying shame and I for one would be gutted by this move as I like practicing in the garden using my 130x.

                      It is cr4p that its like this but its the industry that is doing it not individuals.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hedge View Post
                        Ultimately that will also effect you in your back garden with your MCPX etc which is a crying shame and I for one would be gutted by this move as I like practicing in the garden using my 130x.
                        I can't see how anyone is going to put a stop to you flying a 130X in your own garden. Unless you have neighbours from hell intent on shopping you in to the authorities for illegal drone flying.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mahbouni View Post
                          What a numpty...

                          Law abiding citizens are also likely to drive registered, MOT's taxed and insured cars but it's very difficult to stop criminals stealing and using them. Should we ban cars too?

                          Has a drone crashed into and killed a person? Or is he talking about an RC helicopter?

                          I don't think they will ban drones. There's too much potential VAT revenue from sales when they become more main stream, and made by companies like Samsung and Sony. My suspicion is they will class all RC models as drones and charge a registration fee. More revenue to be made.
                          I think the main issue that is being referred to in that comment is the opportunities it opens up for lethal consequences in a criminal way.
                          I know it will not stop them but they really could deliver a payload anywhere. They could fly right into the room at the balcony of buck palace if they wanted too.
                          I am only referring to the ways they could be used in a terrorist attack. it is all to late imo as its all out their already. The main issue may stop some numptys flying near people or buildings or planes etc... i can see this being a very interesting debate. Personally the licensed ones that we see capturing the beauty in films and documentaries etc is the ones i love
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Peteski View Post
                            I can't see how anyone is going to put a stop to you flying a 130X in your own garden. Unless you have neighbours from hell intent on shopping you in to the authorities for illegal drone flying.
                            You would hope right, but you live next door to someone who has kids and you fly around your garden next thing you know your being accused of filming his kids and the whole thing goes to court and you end up in another register!!


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hedge View Post
                              Ultimately that will also effect you in your back garden with your MCPX etc which is a crying shame and I for one would be gutted by this move as I like practicing in the garden using my 130x.
                              The funny thing is I would be able to fly my mCPX in my house because it's indoors but not in my garden because it's outdoors. What if I put a big tent in my garden and flew it in there? The whole idea of controlling what people do on their own property is silly. What they should do is have a height limit. Below that height on your own land should be your own airspace.

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