Buying Nitro *

[Peteski]

Fair play if you start off the bat with a 700 nitro. "Go big or go home!" as they say.

[SaneAdam]

Thanks for all the input and links here ,

I think Adam has hit the nail for me , Remember as the majority of RCHA .. I have a addictive personality, So this Heli choice is based on my first Heli and I can move to Electric when is time to add a model ,As a Newb Im looking for optimum time on the sticks/land/Filll back in the air is my number one box to be ticked followed by the enjoyment of flying which I feel with Glow/Nitro is magnified by the real block in there I've seen up to 500 size Heli's Grumpy and they aren't lightweights I hear you there so I can imagen the 600:700s are monsters !

Long term , cost wise is not high on my list, my priorities remain time in the air , I've learnt a lot about throttle curves etc this week and been messing around on the Sim with it all makes a huge difference to me ! So the extra power of the Electric will be waisted on me to start with and Id thing I'll have to tone down the Nitro , There's also I feel I can learn more with Nitro knowing more about electrics it would be suited better to my skill set so going against the grain I'll be on a learning curve with Nitro and I kind of like that! So as a newb the lower power & higher flight time appeals , and the noise of it it has to be said !
All these BMW i8s kicking around .. I'd still have the old M6 5.0 V10 ;-)

AnthD

Join a club and or get someone with A LOT of experience with Nitro Helicopters to help you for the smoothest overall experience i would say.

I wouldn't touch a Nitro without the help of the very experienced people i know. It runs so bloody good i never need to touch anything anyway Credit to Maj for his superbly tuned engine and pipe combo. Exquisite

[dw45]

My two P's worth is go for the 600 with a 50 size engine, loads of power to start with and economical to run. I fly my trex 600n the most as it is a joy to fly

[choppaholic]

after two years being all electric i just bought a 600 and 700 nitro, there is just something mesmerising about a running engine which you just cant get in an electric. by my flying style i seem to be getting worst ans worst with pitch control on electric dude to the raw power available.

go for it you wont regret it, i plan to keep both for now and just enjoy them all.

[james_2k]

Come on mate, maybe if you buy cheap packs then yes.

I fly with opti ultras/gens as everything else I've tried (HK etc) are pants when pushed.

£130 a pop for a 6s 5000, 500 quid on a kosmik, 400 on a konny motor.

Sure, there are cheaper options but to get the decent kit electric isn't cheap either.

Nevermind the amount of money I have spent on chargers and genny's.

just because kontronik stuff is insanely priced doesnt mean you cant get top stuff for a lot less than that . scorpion, xnova, castle all make great stuff(i would call it very decent at the least) even hobbyking electronics are getting good reviews and are probably more powerful than most nitro setups out there. a grand in fuel? id rather buy another heli

and for a beginner, no way would i recommend getting a nitro, even just the tuning etc. electric is, setup once then charge and fly, simple.

dont want to have to retune every time the air density changes (which is a lot in the uk!) esp if im a new guy.

with that said, id certainly be interested in having one at some point, but im glad i started with electric.

[philipjdall]

I wouldn't run anything other than a jive or Kosmik on my electrics. That is just my opinion.

A grand on fuel a year is just b*llocks. Don't block it till you tried it mate

[tomatwalden]

Come on mate, maybe if you buy cheap packs then yes.

I fly with opti ultras/gens as everything else I've tried (HK etc) are pants when pushed.

£130 a pop for a 6s 5000, 500 quid on a kosmik, 400 on a konny motor.

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Cheap doesn't necessarily mean rubbish. I use Haiyin packs from Electriflyer which work well and are less than half the price of Opti's. Yes, Kosmic ESCs are good - definitely have the best governor. But for most people, Castle are perfectly adequate - especially if you use an external gov. Again, half the price of Kontronic.

eg. Haiyin

[Planehazza]

I was the same as Phil having never flown or owned a Nitro model until very recently.

I love it My packs have been on storage charge since i got it and I'm not sure when i will fire them back up while I'm enjoying my Nitro as much as i am right now.

Brilliant, more fun and more soul!

Only downside is…. and i know this seems to buck against the trend of what people say… but the cost is high if you fly a lot. Yes there are many upfront costs with electric. but once you have spent that money it stays spent and you just have to charge your packs up.

But a jug of fuel is £22. I usually fly 3 days a week, usually using 1 jug per session. So that is £64 a week in fuel…. every week… every month… every year. That is seriously going to rack up lol

Cant put a price on fun like that though

Plus my flying has improved dramatically since flying Nitro. Mainly down to much more practice time Plus the much more dynamic power delivery has sharpened up my moves a lot. 7 to 8 mins of practice time at a very capable 3d head speed To get that long with an electric you would have to drop the headspeed or be very conservative with the power

Yup, that is basically the TL;DR version of my E vs N guide

I'm really tempted to flog my Rush, but I can't bring myself to let it go...

[james_2k]

I wouldn't run anything other than a jive or Kosmik on my electrics. That is just my opinion.

A grand on fuel a year is just b*llocks. Don't block it till you tried it mate

just quoting what someone else said

And the electric costs are half as much too... Whatever way you look at it, per minute in the air glow is about 2-3 times more expensive. If you fly a lot that could add up to well over £1000 per year difference.

[philipjdall]

James I wouldn't take that as gospel mate!

Tom, I tried haiyins but mine puffed like a bunch of balloons after only a handful of flights. I may have been unlucky as I know a few people who rate them, but nowadays I live by the rule 'buy cheap buy twice'.

Again this is all IMO, fly what you like.

[Planehazza]

James I wouldn't take that as gospel mate!

Tom, I tried haiyins but mine puffed like a bunch of balloons after only a handful of flights. I may have been unlucky as I know a few people who rate them, but nowadays I live by the rule 'buy cheap buy twice'.

Again this is all IMO, fly what you like.

But I've seen the premium brands puff up just as much.

Personally, I think a lot of them are all made in the same group of factories anyway. The price difference is often for the good customer care.

[George J]

I think nitro is the way to go when you're learning but only if you fly with others that know what they're doing with nitro helis, it could be quite frustrating other wise. The extra flight time will be invaluable, buy a Trex 600 and OS50/55 and it will be super reliable and with softer learner set up will probably give you 15 min flights.

As for cost between the two Phil is right it's all bollocks, just fly whichever power plant you prefer and you'll not notice any difference and tbh if cost really is an issue then flying and being addicted to helis is the wrong thing to get into!

[Tim Procter]

SaneAdam flying at my place on Sunday.

Can't beat a bit of nitro baby.

[philipjdall]

But I've seen the premium brands puff up just as much.

Personally, I think a lot of them are all made in the same group of factories anyway. The price difference is often for the good customer care.

gens/opti/pulse are all the same cells, just sold under different brands.

I prefer to buy optis as at least they have a good UK warranty and andy to back you up if something does go wrong.

[SaneAdam]

Of course it depends on how hard you fly and how high a headspeed you run but FWIW I get 6.5-7 minutes out of my 700 e heli.... I admit to not being a hard flyer but neither am i just pootling around doing 'scale' flying.

Agreed. I used to get 7.30 seconds on my E720 at a more moderate head speed practicing controlled circuits upright forwards and backwards, plus inverted forwards and backwards. That was good solid practice.

But more complex, hard edged, blink and your f****d 3d moves can also be thrown in as part of the practice routine making practising more dynamic. Plus you can get 8 minutes of the blink and your ****** stuff too which has really forced me to expand my repertoire to keep my flying engaging.

I love both. There is no wrong or right IMO. People certainly shouldn't get too excited over singing the praises of one over the other. Everyones requirements are different and based on what THEY want out of their flying. It is very difficult to objectively compare the 2.

I am very pleased i decided to find out what i was missing so i could have a really informed opinion on both to make a judgement based on my requirements.