Piloting Skills for L platers

[Grumpy]

They need a fair bit of tuning to get them running nicely - mixture etc.

Yep, glow engines (FWIW they don't run in 'nitro' the fuel is mainly methanol) can be a bit of a pain to set up, they can be highly temperamental. They can also be quite unreliable so auto rotation landings is something you need to be good at. Fuel is also frighteningly expensive, a gallon of 20% Nitro glow fuel cost about £25 or so. That will fill a 600 heli tank up ten times, so you could go through a gallon on a weekend easily, maybe more.

This makes LiPos seem pretty VERY cheap. A pair of LiPos for a 600 will set you back around £80 and give you a couple of hundred flights and cost pennies to charge.

[AnthD]

Yeah Peteski your right .. Mind you at 2 him eying up my new DX8 is the main reason I invested in the case to keep it well protected! Ha

Grumpy - I know what your saying .. But Snowys 600 was Uba cool with the exhaust fumes just mulling out .. I'm just about hooked! Lipos are a life saver though these days with there outputs I guess there to be taken advantage of! ..

Quick one .. The 600 (elec) do you need to change both Lipos out every flight or just one as one is running the electronics as a nitro LiPo would so one will last a few flights ??

[Grumpy]

Anth,
You change (or charge) the main flight batteries after every flight.
The downside of LiPo power is you don't get the flight duration that you can with glow power, but the upsides in cost and convenience more than make up for it.

I know where you are coming from, 'real' engines do have an attraction that electric can never have, especially to the petrol heads among us... but electric wins hands down for cost, convenience and reliability.

[AnthD]

Thanks grumpy ,

So 600L will require x2 6S at about 3000-3500mah ..
Could anyone recommend a good Lipo for a 600 also just have a question on receiver for the heli .. This is seprate to me x4 servos/FBL/Gov/ .. Then I need my Reciever .. Could someone recommend one of this to go with the DX8

thanks guys .

[Grumpy]

What you need?

If you went for the 600L 'Super Combo' then it comes with all you need except batteries and receiver.

The best option on the receiver is to use a couple of satellite type receivers connected direct to the FBL controller, this gives a much neater and tidier installation. For Spektrum these days i use Lemon Rx satellite receivers which are not genuine Spektrum but are fully compatible and every bit as good, but much cheaper. These are they: Lemon Rx DSMX Comptaible Satellite (DSM2 backward compatible but must use DSMX primary receiver) (you need two)

The 600L uses HV servos so to power them you would want a 2s Lipo of 1800-2200mAh, just a cheap 20 or 25c one will do fine no need for high discharge rate.

For main flight batteries personally I go for the cheaper options, I've never seen the point in paying mega bucks for batteries. You get good bang for buck out of the Hobbyking Turnigy Blue 40c batteries: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...SortOrder=desc

[AnthD]

Thanks for that Grumpy it's much appreciated .

out of interest is there's a Electronics Shematic anyone has showing the wiring diagram etc.?

[Grumpy]

The wiring is pretty straightforward, especially if you use the satellite receivers which reduce the wiring considerably. If you get the Trex the build manual is pretty good so covers just about everything. If you get stuck there is plenty of good advice to be had here, or even better if you have someone you can go to to get help with final setup.

[AnthD]

Hi mate , Thanks for that Yes I guessed it was simple plug ins I just wanted a School boy shematic of everything Plugged in and what talks to what and where it goes back to things like Governors and other kit you don't need to use but is a good idea


PS. Is anyone using a Blade 500/700x? Why they like compared to the T-Rex ?

[tomatwalden]

Hi mate , Thanks for that Yes I guessed it was simple plug ins I just wanted a School boy shematic of everything Plugged in and what talks to what and where it goes back to things like Governors and other kit you don't need to use but is a good idea


PS. Is anyone using a Blade 500/700x? Why they like compared to the T-Rex ?

Technically, the Blade 500x, 550x, 600x and 700x are not that different to their Trex equivalents.

The big difference though is that all the Blade helis mentioned above aren't produced anymore by Blade. Consequently, some stores are selling remaining stock at bargain prices. Otherwise, the 500x (which was a pre-built BNF heli) was OK, but used odd sized servos and had tail reliability issues. The 550X and 700x are good helis I think (but then I would say that! lol), certainly I like their flight characteristics.

Given their discontinued status now though, not sure I'd recommend any of them to somebody very new to the hobby.

If you're interested / bored, you can watch vids of me flying mine at : https://www.youtube.com/user/tomatwalden/videos

[AnthD]

Thanks for the post Tom , Yes I saw a couple of 700xs for sale US imports I think , but I think I'll heed the advise there I don't need spares issues just yet !
Do you mind if I ask how much you have in your 630 Tom? Looks like a serious bit of kit ;-)

[AnthD]

Also .. Peteski ,

i cant remember if you had the Phoenix V5 sim , but if you did cool challange for you , Map ; Stockholm Bridge - you can fly under the bridge and back over the top , great training routine !
And if you get really cheeky you can make it over the top and under the way back !
Regards
Anth

[tomatwalden]

Thanks for the post Tom , Yes I saw a couple of 700xs for sale US imports I think , but I think I'll heed the advise there I don't need spares issues just yet !
Do you mind if I ask how much you have in your 630 Tom? Looks like a serious bit of kit ;-)

About £1300 ... This was my budget spreadsheet when I bought it ...

Helicopter	£639	G630
Blades		(included)
Motor	159.99	QT-4135-530
ESC	155	CC Edge 120HV
BEC	36	CC BEC Pro
Cyclic servos	75	BK servos x3
tail servo	53	H6080g
Vortex	150
Total price	£1267.99

[AnthD]

Thanks Tom ,

nice videos 700x looks nice in the air ,how your landing with that kind of ease is mega ..
Was looking at this Goblin 700 vid http://youtu.be/rZx13IkOU7Y
how you go from inverted to just landing is some serious Piliot skills !!!

Goblin 700 here on eBay , what would you value it at ?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=171656430660

AnthD

[tomatwalden]

Thanks Tom ,

nice videos 700x looks nice in the air ,how your landing with that kind of ease is mega ..
Was looking at this Goblin 700 vid http://youtu.be/rZx13IkOU7Y

Got to admit, I prefer more smooth, controlled 3D .. like this ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrdSoAHX0ao

...
Goblin 700 here on eBay , what would you value it at ?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=171656430660

AnthD

At a guess, I'd say that will go for somewhere around the £600 to £800 mark. It's got decent servos, a Kontronic ESC, Scorpion motor. But it's an old style G700. Difficult to tell with ebay, but I'd guess somewhere in that range.

[tomatwalden]

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nice videos 700x looks nice in the air ,how your landing with that kind of ease is mega ..
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Love autos! Before anybody chastises me, they're absolutely not for beginners, but worth learning about! ...