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  • Goblin 500 Crash - Cause ???

    Hi guys.
    I have crashed my 500 Goblin yesterday.
    I have a Quantum motor and a CC phoenix edge lite 100A esc. vbar
    The heli has only done 10-15 flights.

    Sudden loss of power.
    At first I thought it's the esc, as powering up afterwards, it did weird things - power was on/off/on/off ect. ( the battery seem fine, and it did the same with a different battery )
    Removing the main belt and the motor was working fine.

    Data from esc is fine, other than the head speed dropping to 0 in a straight line.

    Any ideas
    Someone at the club mentioned one way bearing?
    Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
    Goblin 500. Mini vbar
    Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
    Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

    Spektrum DX9

  • #2
    Was your satellite flashing when you retrieved it ?

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    • #3
      Might help if you publish your ESC setup file, and any logs/graphs you've got from the flight ...
      Tom
      sigpic Synergy E7SE - Kontronic Helijive 120+ ESC, vBar Neo
      SAB Goblin 630 Competition
      - Castle Edge 120HV, vBar Neo
      Blade 700X - Castle Edge 160HV ESC, Mini vBar
      Logo 550SXv2 - Castle 130LV ESC, vBar Neo
      .... and a Gaui X3
      Spektrum DX8 ; Mikado VBC ; RealFlight 7 & neXt sims
      ... and two EGS'



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      • #4
        What bec are you using?

        Sent from my phone. Please excuse any errors.
        Current fleet: Goblin Thunder Sport (700), Trex 700L, Logo 600, Specter 700, Henseleit TDR, V-Baaa control.
        Next heli: I have pretty much everything I want. Maybe I'll upgrade some electronics or something.

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        • #5
          With both belts off can you spin the head freely or is it too hard to turn? (thats if the main shaft isnt bent) if it spins smoothly doubt it would be the OWB.

          Cheers
          Jon

          Titan x50e Vbar 5.3 (For Sale)
          Spectrum DX8 + Phoenix & Simstick

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          • #6
            Bec is Castle 10A bec (blue one)
            Cannot remember if sats were flashing.
            Attached Files
            Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
            Goblin 500. Mini vbar
            Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
            Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

            Spektrum DX9

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            • #7
              blue line is Watts and pink line Temperature.
              Just touched 50 degrees
              Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
              Goblin 500. Mini vbar
              Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
              Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

              Spektrum DX9

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              • #8
                What about volts/ripple? Can you post your ESC settings too ?
                Tom
                sigpic Synergy E7SE - Kontronic Helijive 120+ ESC, vBar Neo
                SAB Goblin 630 Competition
                - Castle Edge 120HV, vBar Neo
                Blade 700X - Castle Edge 160HV ESC, Mini vBar
                Logo 550SXv2 - Castle 130LV ESC, vBar Neo
                .... and a Gaui X3
                Spektrum DX8 ; Mikado VBC ; RealFlight 7 & neXt sims
                ... and two EGS'



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                • #9
                  Will hook her up tonight and reply with more info.
                  Cheers
                  Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
                  Goblin 500. Mini vbar
                  Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
                  Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

                  Spektrum DX9

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                  • #10
                    I think I want to run a separate 2s rx battery, what bec is very reliable - servos 6v
                    Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
                    Goblin 500. Mini vbar
                    Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
                    Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

                    Spektrum DX9

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                    • #11
                      I wish I could afford new HV servos to run directly off a 2s lipo as I'm doing on my 630
                      Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
                      Goblin 500. Mini vbar
                      Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
                      Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

                      Spektrum DX9

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jjjjdup View Post
                        I wish I could afford new HV servos to run directly off a 2s lipo as I'm doing on my 630
                        Get a good quality 20C+ LiFe pack instead then. 6.6v
                        Harry

                        Mikado Logo 700 | VBar Neo | JR HV Servos | Pyro 750-50L | Kontronik Kosmik 160HV + buffer pack|
                        Thunder Tiger G4 E720 | CGY760 FBL | BLS272SV + BLS276SV | Align 800MX Dom 440kv | Kontronik PowerJive 120HV + Opti UltraGuard |
                        SAB Kraken 580 6S | Spirit FBL | BLS173SV + BLS276SV | HK4025 1100kV | Kontronik Kolibri 140LV + Opti UltraGuard |


                        And a pillow for the doghouse...

                        Powered by Futaba 18SZ

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                        • #13
                          Sounds good, but the only ones I can find are 5c Hyperion 6.6v LiFe
                          Goblin 630. Outrage cyclic. BLS 276 tail. Scorpion HK3 4035-530 CC EDGE120 HV .mini vbar
                          Goblin 500. Mini vbar
                          Align Trex 500 pro DFC. Mini vbar
                          Align Trex 450 Pro DFC. Fubar

                          Spektrum DX9

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jjjjdup View Post
                            Sounds good, but the only ones I can find are 5c Hyperion 6.6v LiFe
                            Stay well clear. On paper they're good for 10A but mine caused a midair reboot.

                            I've got this: 2s 2500mAh A123 Battery Pack - Craft

                            It's big and heavy so may not be suitable on a 500. What about using a very good BEC along with a Scorpion BUG/Opti Guard?

                            I'm starting to think that a BUG/Opti Guard is needed on every model regarless of Nitro/BEC/LiPo/LiFe etc...
                            Harry

                            Mikado Logo 700 | VBar Neo | JR HV Servos | Pyro 750-50L | Kontronik Kosmik 160HV + buffer pack|
                            Thunder Tiger G4 E720 | CGY760 FBL | BLS272SV + BLS276SV | Align 800MX Dom 440kv | Kontronik PowerJive 120HV + Opti UltraGuard |
                            SAB Kraken 580 6S | Spirit FBL | BLS173SV + BLS276SV | HK4025 1100kV | Kontronik Kolibri 140LV + Opti UltraGuard |


                            And a pillow for the doghouse...

                            Powered by Futaba 18SZ

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                            • #15
                              I use both Hyperion and Turnigy 1450mah LiFe on my E700 and Fusion 50, but they're a bit big for a Goblin 500. The Turnigys are rated 20C-40C so maybe I'll use them more than my Hyperion after reading Harry's post. I might give them all a few cycles on my PL8 and take some graphs at 10A discharge.

                              I use a Castle BEC pro on my Gobby 500. Maybe a little ott for the G500, but I had it on my Trex 500 so took it from there and put a little Gryphon Polaris on that. It fits nice under the base plate of the Goblin.
                              Current fleet: Goblin Thunder Sport (700), Trex 700L, Logo 600, Specter 700, Henseleit TDR, V-Baaa control.
                              Next heli: I have pretty much everything I want. Maybe I'll upgrade some electronics or something.

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