Old Flyer back for another go

[Dan22]

If you are thinking of getting second hand, consider a Trex 500 EFL PRO
Not all aligns are DFC

Dan.

[Bee_random]

There's a heli club in Christchurch. Of suggest getting in touch and finding out what they fly. Specifically to get a view on parts availability. Find out what your nearest LHS stocks. Most likely Blade or Align. Deffo FBL. Ease of setup and better stability.

[trillian]

Just to add a bit to the FBL vs FB question. Some FBL units can be setup to feel very similar to a flybar but the difference is that with a flybar the gyroscopic effect that gives you the 'heading hold' is very dependent on headspeed and paddle weight. With FBL you can get a lot more hold, which means less drift from whatever position the heli is in until you give it some input. In addition it will make lots of subtle corrections in an attempt to hold its position so you'll find that in a maneuver where the flybar might drift a little and require correction, the FBL unit will do that work for you. It will also attempt to give you the amount of hold you've dailed in (via swash gain etc.) regardless of the headspeed. So you can often get a quite natural almost flybarred feel with just a bit more holding power or go mad with the gain and get a feel some describe as 'robotic' but some folks like a robotic feel (not to imply anything negative just a departure from the feel of a flybar). And at the same time you get as fast cyclics as you want - lots of hold and lots of cyclic response at the same time.

So in many ways FBL lets you eat your cake and still have it.

[helijohn]

Might be a bit costly to post to New Zealand though!

Could get something from a Chinese supplier I guess.

[rambo0293]

Thanks for your suggestions guys and thanks for clearing up the FBL to fb question. Just what's the dfc mean?

pgk yep that was me both time lol and your memories good lol but yes I was trying auto but with my 500

[Jamin_00]

About friggin time too!!!!

Remember this?

Them posy things caused us to give up for nearly a year after being so damn hard to fly and set up lol. But holy cow that vid has over 73000+ views!!!!!!

Or this???

Good to see you getting back in to buddy

[tomatwalden]

Thanks for your suggestions guys and thanks for clearing up the FBL to fb question. Just what's the dfc mean?

pgk yep that was me both time lol and your memories good lol but yes I was trying auto but with my 500

DFC = no swash follower/driver .. DFC Rotor Heads Demystified

[electricsceadu]

i would look to see what support you have in nz as to what model/radio to buy
as waiting weeks for parts will stop you flying
the align 450 has improved vastly from the early versions and back then they were the better models of the size that flew reasonably well

[Ade_Law]

DFC = no swash follower/driver .. DFC Rotor Heads Demystified

You forgot to mention that it's just a gimmick and is actually a downgrade ☺

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[rambo0293]

Thanks for that Ade_Law lol just to add into the confusion. Why would you say its a gimmick?

[pgkevet]

Thanks for that Ade_Law lol just to add into the confusion. Why would you say its a gimmick?

'cos he doesn't like it.

(mind you i said the same about mobile phones .... mind you i doubt that 0.1% of mobile phone calls are actually 'necessary' )

[electricsceadu]

You forgot to mention that it's just a gimmick and is actually a downgrade from a flybar ☺

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see we knew you were in the correct way of thinking

[Ade_Law]

The standard flybarless layout using anti rotation arms is mechanically better and will be cheaper to crash.

Its mainly to do with how the damping action of the spindle moves the arms around

Terrible idea!

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[tomatwalden]

Thanks for that Ade_Law lol just to add into the confusion. Why would you say its a gimmick?

I'm going to side with Ade on this one. The selling point of DFC heads is a short main shaft and low CoG. That's achievable with swash drivers with a well-designed head. DFC on the other hand brings some engineering compromises and extra wear on parts.

[Texxaco]

Regarding Dfc, would you suggest that this technology and the low cog that it brings with it is too much for a newbie looking at his first large heli.