Grass Roots What next ?????

[waveydavey]

Right now I understand, I am the idiot your talking about by the sounds of it robby_121, and it's certainly no argument. Please don't take it out of context and read the whole post. I am sorry if what I said on talk heli or here has offended anyone, Paul and yourself included. That was certainly not the intention. Read post #12 a response to an earlier one where I initially said that I thought Paul and Connors skill was above what I thought grass roots was about, something as subjective as you can get. Post 19 attempts to clear it up as Paul considered I thought he shouldn't have entered, as far from what I thought as you can get. I apologise most sincerely Paul if anything I said has been taken the wrong way, I cannot praise someone enough that is prepared to take on the comp circuit. Good luck with the rest of the year and look forward to seeing you in the Champs at the end of the year

[Ross Northcott]

So basically if you finish in the top 3 of any future grassroots, you should NOT have entered because your to good, just doesnt make sence.
Paul is a very good pilot but has also put a lot of effert into this hobby to be able to achieve the 2nd place, maybe there should just be a compitition for people entering there first comp.
The exact reason why i will never enter a grassroots or any other comp, why cant people just congratulate rather than say shit, about someone is to good for a certain event.

[Edders]

You know its interesting reading the comments.

If I’m honest I’ve always know this is an issue and the only solution we came up with is the solution that no one was that bothered about, in creating a league so that pilots that entered the wrong group can quickly be moved up and out. However what we have now is not enough events to create a league but too few to allow pilots to enter and move up without affecting the true Grassroots. and the response we got was well we can’t be bothered, haven’t the time, what more events ect..
Those in the know will also be aware that we had a discussion with a pilot last year who was deemed by us as over qualified for the event and again this year we were put in the same position. And we had to have a chat with Adam just before the event.
As for last weekend’s event I still have no doubt that the guys that entered where the right competitors.
Just for info and maybe stop people guessing on whether the pilots should or should not have competed based on their scores here’s an explanation of scoring of freestyle.
We mark out of 50 and have no idea how good the pilots are going to be before the round begins
so we take the first pilot and use this pilot as the bench mark so will score them in the mid range of the scores say 25 in case better or worse pilots come along.
Now if a much better pilot fly’s next well score him much higher to ensure room in the scoring to fit all the pilots so now this pilot scores 40. As the event unfolds we get a few good pilots and a few worse pilots than the bench mark pilot and the scores for these pilots tend to stick around the benchmark score15 – 35 however there’s a few more good pilots in the mix and they were better than the first “good pilot” so their scores are nearer the top so now we have a few pilots above 40 and the middle ground being a tighter grouping
The way the scoring works the top pilot will always have a disproportionally higher score than the lower contestants

Edders

[heli]

I'd say do a bit of both, do Grass Roots until you get a top 3 and work on a display for fly-ins

Paul, I hope I didn't fuel the fire with my comment. I'm sorry if I did but it wasn't meant that way. What i was trying to offer to Rachel with the initial post was maybe getting to that stage and then deciding where to go next. Which is where you are I guess.

My 2p on should you enter Grass Roots again is why not. Just beacuse you came second doesn't mean you don't want to come first.

I agree with robby_121 heli flying is about enjoyment as a hobby and mostly having fun

[robby_121]

It was not aimed at a particular person WaveyDavey. It was a general meaning aimed at not just the comments on the forums but at the idiots that send sarcastic PM's and have nothing better to do than than to try and hurt people. Maybe it was a slight over reaction but I know Paul very well and he was probably nervous as hell about it being the first comp and rightly so. I will be going up to Weston for Zone to support him. Obviously if he comes last I will never speak to him again!! Lest all move on..water under the bridge and look forward to seeing each other at the various shows & comps.

[barney]

The choice of level is left to the Pilots themselves to decide and is reliant on them being honest with there Flying ability and choosing appropriately. Simple really... as your only kidding yourself otherwise.

Personally I am more than happy to know I have flown to the best of my ability on the day.

Being Sponsered has nothing to do with the choice.

A 'Sponsered' Pilot is often selected for other reasons than just there flying prowess. Being sponsered is as much about supplying support and helping others as it is about being a winner.

Brian

[antquinn]

What's grass roots ? Is this a beginner section ?

Maybe a silly question

Ant

[barney]

Hi Ant, Grass-Roots is the first of 3 levels of Piloting ability and uses its own group of simpler Set manouvres. The idea behind Grass-roots is to allow less competant pilots the oppurtunity to participate in a competition enviroment suitable to there needs.

The 3D format is all about Inclusion NOT exclusion and by offering pilots 3 skill levels, allows them to learn and develop skills suitable to there ability. We do recognise that abilities vary hugely as does a pilots aspirations and we have done our best to overcome that barrier.

I do think it fair to say the 3D Format is helping to build a sustainable future for our sport where other Competition formats have left off.

Brian

[antquinn]

Oh ok ! That's good to know thankyou , so who sets out what's moves you must do in grass roots ?

As I can then practice more of what I need

Cheers

Ant

[Geek]

http://www.3dformat.co.uk/set-manoeuvres/#grassroots

I had to fly 5 of these.
Good fun learning new moves.
Have fun

[rachel]

Ok my thread and my reply I may not be or ever be the best pilot but for me compeating is all about the enjoyment 1st or last it doest matter
I felt that this years Grass roots was bang on, even though I had a bad start to the weekend and a bad freestyle round, hand on heart I loved it all, top club top friends, Top comp and the way they judges handled the lack of entries with running it twice and giving advice was bang on , well done all.

OK now to the point of seeding , grass roots or inters ?? the top pilots will allways be on the very edge of the two so don't bit*h and moan that so and so is too good , thats life on a bad day I look like a newbie on a good day I am on fire, how do you predict what anyone will be like on the day ?
I did feel for Adam as to my untrained eyes Connor and Adam were on a par, still I was more impressed with what they & their Dads were like as people , aproachable freindly and fun .Oh I must also say there flying was very smooth not at all "Playstation" .

Paul was the one I most want to fly like he rocked A well deserved 2nd place I loved your flights .

To everyone who flew and their callers well done in appauling conditions, as was said most pro pilots would have struggled.

See you all at Park Hall

's Rachel

Oh back on topic here is how I am going forward practice practice practice , Park Hall , Mk flyin, and lots of others 3d Champs humm maybe if there is a place when I am ready.

I love my life flying heli's !!!!!!!! It's in my blood .

[Lynx.1677]

See a while ago I was worried about Grass Roots not being what it should be about. I saw some vids from a year or two ago and though that some pilots were what I would consider to be inters class. This really put me off of ever competing. However, after this years event and speaking with Adam I feel that perhaps I judged a bit unfairly and like you say, it's up to the pilots to be honest with themselves when they enter these things. I will be competing next year, the mrs has even said I need to do it. Am getting a 700 nitro and will be looking to do Grass Roots. Until then it's mucking about with the 450 and LOTS of sim time!

[pgkevet]

..... Am getting a 700 nitro and will be looking to do Grass Roots.....

Now why did that make me spit my coffee all over the keyboard?

[Lynx.1677]

Now why did that make me spit my coffee all over the keyboard?

I usually get your wicked sense of humour pgk.........

..........is it becuase I've had one (or two) already? Back then though I could only do circuits, loops and rolls. Never flown one since. If I can 3d a 450 then surely a 700 is easier (scarier!). Or was it something else I missed?

[waveydavey]

I think that's what he meant a bit scarier with a 700