Progress slow on CP heli :(

[Jdcolli]

Been flying my Nano Cpx for just over a week I am getting it into a stablish hover though it always needs input but I go nose in and it all falls to pieces.

On my Fixed pitch heli I had it circling the room in 5 days and was really confident with it.

I feel I should be better at nose in on my nano and just not making progress as quick as I would like.

I guess I'm asking what is the average time scale to get things right with a CP heli and asking for any advice on learning nose in flight.


Cheers

[simon1]

practice.....it will come , have you got a sim? if not get one.

I never learnt nose in the conventional way, i flew figure eights then gradually got the nose in more and more then eventually slowed it down to a nose in hover.

[PaulJC]

It's really hard to put a time scale on it as everyone learns at different speeds, get solid tail in and side on both sides before starting to edge it round to nose in, a lot of people find it easier aswell to learn the 45 degree points first as then you can still see the tail for reference, i personally wouldn't expect anyone to grasp nose in within a wekk unless they have properly been on the case with practice and the sim, it'll come in time

[Hawke]

Been flying my Nano Cpx for just over a week I am getting it into a stablish hover though it always needs input but I go nose in and it all falls to pieces.

I started with a mcpx and it took me about a week to be able to consistently take of, hover and then land without crashing. I think all cp helis need constant input to keep them level, it just takes practice to be able to do it without thinking about it. My mcpx will only hover without input for a second or two.

I guess I'm asking what is the average time scale to get things right with a CP heli and asking for any advice on learning nose in flight.

I guess everyone learns at a different speed. I started with learning hovering, then progressed to moving it around nose out to nose out circuits and figure eights, then I learned hovering with the nose to either side, then circuits and figure eights with the nose at either side and then when I could do this I progressed to nose in hover, then nose it circuits and then progressed to always flying forward steering with the rudder.

After about 4 months of flying approx 6 batteries a day I can now fly circuits and figure eights in all orientations and rarely crash. I'd say just learn each step and be confident with each one before progressing to the next. Its a lot easier to recover from a nose in mistake the closer you are to an orientation you can handle.

[tomatwalden]

Progress slow on CP heli

Collective pitch is a lot harder than fixed pitch. I've been learning for about 10 months now. Can do inverted hovering, but my nose in stuff is still quite dodgy. Can't land nose in yet.

[Jdcolli]

Thanks for reply's,

Maybe I'm trying to run before I can crawl..
I'm practicing in a 14x14ft room with furniture I think I need to get out to the park for a bit of space and try some circuits.

[iceuk]

To give the OP an idea I think tail in can be acheived in 1 hour, side on 2 hours each side and nose in about 3 hours that's not to say you will be perfect you may still make mistakes but you will probably be able to get back to your safe position ie tail in.

It is hard to give figures though as everyone learns at different rates and it's been a while since I learned the moves above but from memory I think that's about rght.

As for tips, just practice mate and make sure your heli is set up well. EDIT, a larger place to fly will help.

Here a video of me trying to hover tail in second flight, never simmed before I was raw lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foTi9siClSI<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foTi9siClSI" target="_blank">

[Hawke]

Collective pitch is a lot harder than fixed pitch. I've been learning for about 10 months now. Can do inverted hovering, but my nose in stuff is still quite dodgy. Can't land nose in yet.

How on earth can you do inverted without being able to fly nose in? I'm confident with all orientations and always land nose in but I don't think I'm anywhere near the level needed to go inverted!

[iceuk]

Oh yea, it's important to concentrate on the job in hand and do not get distracted, (-: I nearly chopped my head off looking at this woman lol

[Hawke]

Also, try lowering the aileron and elevator DR to make it less responsive if you find yourself over correcting too much. Also try removing any expo, I found this made it much easier to handle and I have never understood why anyone would want to move the stick without the heli doing anything?!?

I nearly chopped my head off looking at this woman lol

Too hard to resist? lol

[MarkG_R1]

Progress slow on CP heli

Keep at it is the best advice I can give, I could hover my 450 tail in and side on but a mental block wouldn't let me turn it nose in, but hovering the mcpx in the kitchen was where I learnt the nose in hovers, its true what people say about the one day it just clicks and your thumbs take over from your brain and makes things happen

[NoFixedAbode]

Re: Progress slow on CP heli

I know what you mean regards mental block Mark. I had a 2 hour lesson still could not do it. Mcpx and grew a set...have not looked back.

[tomatwalden]

How on earth can you do inverted without being able to fly nose in? I'm confident with all orientations and always land nose in but I don't think I'm anywhere near the level needed to go inverted!

I can fly nose in! It's just not very graceful! So for example, the accuracy of nose-in required to land just isn't there with me yet (although I practising it at the mo). Inverted hovering and basic moves aren't that difficult I found. A little time on the sim to learn the thumb movements, more practice on the mcpx, then 130x and 450x.

The vid below pretty much shows my level pretty well (filmed last week, despite date on vid). I starting with a 120SR in April 2012. I think I'm a slow learner, but then I hardly ever use the sim ..

[iceuk]

Tom that is a interesting flight. Funny how ppl learn different things.personally i don't go inverted that often but
I would land the helicopter nose in on your bit of snow u dug out

Good video of a normal person (-:

[tomatwalden]

Tom that is a interesting flight. Funny how ppl learn different things.personally i don't go inverted that often but
I would land the helicopter nose in on your bit of snow u dug out

Good video of a normal person (-:

Thanks!

Just to complete the set, I took a vid just now of me practising nose-in with my mcpx in the lounge. You can see what I mean about being a bit dodgy! I certainly wouldn't land anything bigger than the mcpx nose-in just yet. But this thread has kind of inspired me to practice this skill a bit more ...