blade 130x or 300x?

[PsiFox]

Another noob here. I just ordered a 450 3D RTF as my first rotary winged model. Also happens to be my first electric powered flying machine.

Already given out a list of spares to family to get as Christmas presents and investing in a flight sim too.

[Howling mad murdock]

Size wise, the 300x isn't that much smaller than a 450x : Blade 300x & Blade 450x - Side by Side Comparison - YouTube

Without wanting to start a thread about heli safety (that's been discussed here before several times), both would require care to fly in a public place. You're getting to the size of helis now that I would seriously consider insurance too (RCHA or BMFA) as both could cause injury.

T

I have just been looking for posts on RCHA insurance and will be needing it soon!

Where do I sign up?

I will prob end up with both the 130x and a larger 300/450, Might just wait for the 130x v2....

[tomatwalden]

Take a look at : http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/rcha/8...-renewals.html

T

[SaneAdam]

Another noob here. I just ordered a 450 3D RTF as my first rotary winged model. Also happens to be my first electric powered flying machine.

Already given out a list of spares to family to get as Christmas presents and investing in a flight sim too.

Are you saying you have just got a blade 450 as your first ever helicopter......?!?!? With all due respect that is not going to end well for you.. If you have never flown an rc heli, do yourself a favour and dont start with the 450. You need to get a simulator and a much more beginner friendly model to start with. Imo you should be picking up an MSRX to start the basics on. Im sure you probably will not follow this advice..... but you really should. You will not last long at all on your own with a 450. Not to mention the danger to yourself and anyone you fly near or with. A 450 is bloody dangerous put in simple terms.

If you insist on using the 450 you should at least have someone that knows what they are doing with a buddy box to teach you. Im actually genuinely worried and concerned for your welfare.......... Please don't fly a 450 as your first ever attempt. I guarantee that it wont last a second

If i have misunderstood your post and situation then i apologise...... So can you confirm if you have ever flown any kind of rc helicopter?

[tomatwalden]

I'll just say this. Do be careful!

Off the top of my head, I don't know the head RPM for the Blade 450-3D, but it's probably somewhere around 2500 RPM. The main blade diameter is 70cm (roughly). If you work it out (using a good, old fashioned calculator ) you'll realise that the blade tips are doing somewhere around 200-250MPH.

That will hurt if it hits anything organic! Whilst I'm not a great fan of small, yappy dogs, they do have a habit of chasing helis and are likely to lose in that argument - badly!

Safety aside, getting an mSRx or mCPX will bring your skills on quicker. You can never have too many helis!

Take it easy!

Cheers. T

[PsiFox]

Are you saying you have just got a blade 450 as your first ever helicopter......?!?!? With all due respect that is not going to end well for you.. If you have never flown an rc heli, do yourself a favour and dont start with the 450. You need to get a simulator and a much more beginner friendly model to start with. Imo you should be picking up an MSRX to start the basics on. Im sure you probably will not follow this advice..... but you really should. You will not last long at all on your own with a 450. Not to mention the danger to yourself and anyone you fly near or with. A 450 is bloody dangerous put in simple terms.

If you insist on using the 450 you should at least have someone that knows what they are doing with a buddy box to teach you. Im actually genuinely worried and concerned for your welfare.......... Please don't fly a 450 as your first ever attempt. I guarantee that it wont last a second

If i have misunderstood your post and situation then i apologise...... So can you confirm if you have ever flown any kind of rc helicopter?

Thanks for the concern, it is appreciated.

I have owned nitro fixed wings, gliders and 20 years ago a nitro helicopter.

I learnt to fly on one larger than a 450 and in those days a damn site more expensive and until the recent level of miniturisation that sort of size was the standard trainer,so am going for a slightly smaller one now you see. I also have a copy of Phoenix coming and will be spending many hours on it. Lessons from an instructor will also be forthcoming.

The Blade 450 can be set up with quite a docile behaviour as well. The biggest change seems to be the lipo battery technology that did not exist when I flew nitro originally well that and the computerisation of many aspects of rotary flight control.

I am not young ( in my fifties) and fully appreciate the damage these aircraft can cause. I have private land to fly on with no access for others to watch. I also have a healthy attitude to self preservation and having spent a significant proportion of my life in risky situations. I am careful to the extent of having written checklists to be ticked off before each flight. I don't rely on memory.


I will also be joining one of the associations and have the appropriate insurance policy.

Hopefully that helps put your mind at ease.

[tomatwalden]

Thanks for the concern, it is appreciated.

I have owned nitro fixed wings, gliders and 20 years ago a nitro helicopter.

I learnt to fly on one larger than a 450 and in those days a damn site more expensive and until the recent level of miniturisation that sort of size was the standard trainer,so am going for a slightly smaller one now you see. I also have a copy of Phoenix coming and will be spending many hours on it. Lessons from an instructor will also be forthcoming.

The Blade 450 can be set up with quite a docile behaviour as well. The biggest change seems to be the lipo battery technology that did not exist when I flew nitro originally well that and the computerisation of many aspects of rotary flight control.

I am not young ( in my fifties) and fully appreciate the damage these aircraft can cause. I have private land to fly on with no access for others to watch. I also have a healthy attitude to self preservation and having spent a significant proportion of my life in risky situations. I am careful to the extent of having written checklists to be ticked off before each flight. I don't rely on memory.


I will also be joining one of the associations and have the appropriate insurance policy.

Hopefully that helps put your mind at ease.

Do you have training skids? I have a set for a 450 that are just taking space in my cupboard. Interested?

[PsiFox]

Do you have training skids? I have a set for a 450 that are just taking space in my cupboard. Interested?

Do you mean the rods with foam balls at the end or a wider set of skids?

Yes I'm interested please.

[Stevec]

Are you saying you have just got a blade 450 as your first ever helicopter......?!?!? With all due respect that is not going to end well for you.. If you have never flown an rc heli, do yourself a favour and dont start with the 450. You need to get a simulator and a much more beginner friendly model to start with. Imo you should be picking up an MSRX to start the basics on. Im sure you probably will not follow this advice..... but you really should. You will not last long at all on your own with a 450. Not to mention the danger to yourself and anyone you fly near or with. A 450 is bloody dangerous put in simple terms.

If you insist on using the 450 you should at least have someone that knows what they are doing with a buddy box to teach you. Im actually genuinely worried and concerned for your welfare.......... Please don't fly a 450 as your first ever attempt. I guarantee that it wont last a second

If i have misunderstood your post and situation then i apologise...... So can you confirm if you have ever flown any kind of rc helicopter?

I think this is a slight overreaction, after all until about 3-4 years ago there were no micro heli's at all. a 450 is a good beginners machine IMO.
there maybe better (less expesive and less dangerous) options now but the 450 is still a valid machine.

Do a poll on here and find out how many people learned on a 30 size nitro. I bet there are a lot, because back in the day this was the MCPX or 450.
and back when a lot of people learned there were no simulators and gyros were viewed as cheating devices much like bail out systems are today.

times change and equipment gets better but the bottom line is bigger does fly better and as long as you have your head screwed on, take advice from people and have access to people who can check out your setup for you then there is no reason to get anything other than what you want to fly.

Helicopters are not like planks in that respect. the beginner who goes out and buys an F-16 as his first plane will end up with a 15 second flight, but any helicopter can be set up so a beginner can fly it, Said beginner just needs to appreciate that as the size of the helicopter goes up so do the rebuild costs and the amount of damage they can do.

would I recommend someone went out and bought a rave env or a goblin as their first heli? probably not, but if they said they wanted a 450 over an mcpx I wouldn't discourage them. like wise with the 90 size if they had the means to repair it and the wherewithal to appreciate they can kill you or a spectator and took lessons from more experienced flyers I wouldn't put them off if they had their heart set on it.

I had to teach myself on a Kalt Space Baron .30, in 1991 heli's were a proper niche hobby within a niche hobby, and there were no sims or internet to help beginners. My flying club viewed them as the work of the devil so I was on my own.

/Steve

[tomatwalden]

Do you mean the rods with foam balls at the end or a wider set of skids?

Yes I'm interested please.

Rods + balls. PM me your address and I'll chuck in the post today or tomorrow.

T

[PsiFox]

Rods + balls. PM me your address and I'll chuck in the post today or tomorrow.

T

How much do you want for them?

[SaneAdam]

I think this is a slight overreaction, after all until about 3-4 years ago there were no micro heli's at all. a 450 is a good beginners machine IMO.
there maybe better (less expesive and less dangerous) options now but the 450 is still a valid machine.

Do a poll on here and find out how many people learned on a 30 size nitro. I bet there are a lot, because back in the day this was the MCPX or 450.
and back when a lot of people learned there were no simulators and gyros were viewed as cheating devices much like bail out systems are today.

times change and equipment gets better but the bottom line is bigger does fly better and as long as you have your head screwed on, take advice from people and have access to people who can check out your setup for you then there is no reason to get anything other than what you want to fly.

Helicopters are not like planks in that respect. the beginner who goes out and buys an F-16 as his first plane will end up with a 15 second flight, but any helicopter can be set up so a beginner can fly it, Said beginner just needs to appreciate that as the size of the helicopter goes up so do the rebuild costs and the amount of damage they can do.

would I recommend someone went out and bought a rave env or a goblin as their first heli? probably not, but if they said they wanted a 450 over an mcpx I wouldn't discourage them. like wise with the 90 size if they had the means to repair it and the wherewithal to appreciate they can kill you or a spectator and took lessons from more experienced flyers I wouldn't put them off if they had their heart set on it.

I had to teach myself on a Kalt Space Baron .30, in 1991 heli's were a proper niche hobby within a niche hobby, and there were no sims or internet to help beginners. My flying club viewed them as the work of the devil so I was on my own.

/Steve

You might very well think it is an overreaction.... you would be very wrong though imo. If someone has never flown a helicopter before then everything i just said is totally spot on Fact To suggest otherwise is pretty counter productive imo. But everyone has their own views on things and what they consider safe. If you think a total noob is safe with a 450 then i question your common sense massively. But that is just my take on that particular situation

I have read his second post and seen that he actually does have experience.

[enterpryse]

Re: blade 130x or 300x?

Mate... the 130 is a world away from your mcpx... trust me. Performance wise anyway. Obviously it wont have the presence of the 300

130 is an MCPX on steroids. Flies pretty awesome for a #140 bird

[owend]

From my limited experience as a newbie, I would agree with SaneAdam. I found getting consistently competent with a mCX2 was challenge enough, I'm graduating to a Blade 450-3D and finding it a big step up. i think if I'd started on the 450 as a complete beginner, I'd have crashed badly very quickly, and scared myself off the hobby. I'm not good with the 450 yet, but the mCX2 gave me the basics (and showed me my limitations painlessly and relatively cheaply!).

If someone has previous model-flying experience, perhaps a 450-size could be a starter, with care, but not for a new entrant. Although in retrospect, I might have chosen something a bit more challenging than the mCX2 as the toe-in-the-water machine, it's lost its edge now I've got the 450 airborne! Perhaps a mCPX, from what others have posted?

Owen

[dellowwarren]

blade 130x or 300x?

I would take both practice on 130x then take off with 300x