How do I progress???

[SaneAdam]

Try to move the heli slowly from left to right while hovering tail in, then stop for a second or two. Come back from right to left and stop. Then add a bit of rudder.

Later on you will need to be able to control heli in all orientations, including nose in, without thinking, if you skip this step early on, it will be really hard to fly controlled circles and proper figure 8.

Totally agree. Please stop saying you don't need nose in for anything.... its ridiculous. What are you going to do when the heli is a distance away from you in forward flight pointing in your direction... i.e. nose in. Don't you want to be able to control it in that situation?!? Im not saying you have to have it a 5 pence piece when your hovering nose in. Im talking about FLYING the heli nose in, Flips and rolls and tic tocs and rainbows nose in...

[Gymbal]

I was in a similar situation with my 450 some months back. The purchase of an mCPX and then a 130x were the catalyst for progression. I found I could learn the moves on the mcpx without fear, then translate that knowledge to the larger helis.

The phoenix sim would achieve the same thing, but for me, a computer is just no replacement for the real thing!

T

Exactly what I'm doing, getting a 130x

[Vikki]

Don't recall saying you didn't NEED nose-in, of course you do.

[jimmyhorns]

Totally agree. Please stop saying you don't need nose in for anything.... its ridiculous. What are you going to do when the heli is a distance away from you in forward flight pointing in your direction... i.e. nose in. Don't you want to be able to control it in that situation?!? Im not saying you have to have it a 5 pence piece when your hovering nose in. Im talking about FLYING the heli nose in, Flips and rolls and tic tocs and rainbows nose in...

Im not going to stop saying you dont need nose in hover to be able to do circuits and basic forward flight, because you dont need it.

There is a massive difference between hovering nose in, and flying in forward flight nose in. A number of us used the latter to learn the former. Controlling the heli in nose in forward flight is (for me) a lot easier than a hover. You have loads more time to correct, and its a lot less stressful.

Its a chicken and egg situation, without a right or a wrong answer. In order to progress, you need to progress. It doesnt matter if circuits come before or after you learn a nose in hover, just like it doesnt matter if you learn a left side or a right side hover to start.

[AcidDrink]

Im not going to stop saying you dont need nose in hover to be able to do circuits and basic forward flight, because you dont need it.

There is a massive difference between hovering nose in, and flying in forward flight nose in. A number of us used the latter to learn the former. Controlling the heli in nose in forward flight is (for me) a lot easier than a hover. You have loads more time to correct, and its a lot less stressful.

Its a chicken and egg situation, without a right or a wrong answer. In order to progress, you need to progress. It doesnt matter if circuits come before or after you learn a nose in hover, just like it doesnt matter if you learn a left side or a right side hover to start.

No, the right answer is - if you don't learn side in, nose in and all other orientations early on, you will have a lot of difficulty controlling the heli in any other situation than just flying from left to right (or the other way). This is done the best and by far the easiest by hovering the heli in these orientations.

[SaneAdam]

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No, the right answer is - if you don't learn side in, nose in and all other orientations early on, you will have a lot of difficulty controlling the heli in any other situation than just flying from left to right (or the other way). This is done the best and by far the easiest by hovering the heli in these orientations.

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Exactly what i am trying to say, but i didn't put it across as well as Acid. But that is what i'm trying to get at

[SaneAdam]

Im not going to stop saying you dont need nose in hover to be able to do circuits and basic forward flight, because you dont need it.

There is a massive difference between hovering nose in, and flying in forward flight nose in. A number of us used the latter to learn the former. Controlling the heli in nose in forward flight is (for me) a lot easier than a hover. You have loads more time to correct, and its a lot less stressful.

Its a chicken and egg situation, without a right or a wrong answer. In order to progress, you need to progress. It doesnt matter if circuits come before or after you learn a nose in hover, just like it doesnt matter if you learn a left side or a right side hover to start.

Do the basics first and the rest will be so much easier though. Thats all i"m saying. No excuse for jumping the gun other than eagerness or lack of discipline.... neither of those things are a crime though Were all guilty of it in some context.

[ianmat]

Didn't mean to start a fight...

[jimmyhorns]

Its ok, we have had this fight before, and no-one wins

Saneadam and Aciddrink feel its better to learn to hover in all orientations before moving on to circuits.

I think (and it worked for me) that basic circuits help you to acheive a nose in hover with less stress.

I dont suspect you will get us to all agree, but then there are always more than one way to learn, one way to teach, and one way to progress.

The nose in hover is important, that I think we will all agree on. When you need it is another matter entirely. The BMFA dont think you need it for your A cert, but do need you to do a basic lazy 8 circuit.

[SaneAdam]

Its ok, we have had this fight before, and no-one wins

Saneadam and Aciddrink feel its better to learn to hover in all orientations before moving on to circuits.

I think (and it worked for me) that basic circuits help you to acheive a nose in hover with less stress.

I dont suspect you will get us to all agree, but then there are always more than one way to learn, one way to teach, and one way to progress.

The nose in hover is important, that I think we will all agree on. When you need it is another matter entirely. The BMFA dont think you need it for your A cert, but do need you to do a basic lazy 8 circuit.

Each to his own n all that Seriously though i don't mean to come across the way i do most of the time. I don't mean it in the militant way it sounds. More in a it worked wonders for me so want people to experience the same progress kinda way . Everyone learns differently. I jumped the gun and got stuck in a rut till i went back and did the arduous sim sessions of holding all orientations till i didn't have to think about it. It was a revelation. Thats why i hark on about it like i do. I apologise if i come across like a tw@t sometimes. I genuinely don't mean too...

[jimmyhorns]

I apologise if i come across like a tw@t sometimes. I genuinely don't mean too...

I dont think you did

Opinions are never wrong. Ours differ on this, but thats not the end of the world. It wouldnt be much fun if everyone thought the same......

[SaneAdam]

I dont think you did

Opinions are never wrong. Ours differ on this, but thats not the end of the world. It wouldnt be much fun if everyone thought the same......

Appreciate that Jimmy Nice one

[tomatwalden]

Its ok, we have had this fight before, and no-one wins

Saneadam and Aciddrink feel its better to learn to hover in all orientations before moving on to circuits.

I think (and it worked for me) that basic circuits help you to acheive a nose in hover with less stress.

I dont suspect you will get us to all agree, but then there are always more than one way to learn, one way to teach, and one way to progress.

The nose in hover is important, that I think we will all agree on. When you need it is another matter entirely. The BMFA dont think you need it for your A cert, but do need you to do a basic lazy 8 circuit.

I could never nail the nose-in hover as "that moment" when you spun the heli around to face you always got me in a muddle and I lost it. The thing that nailed it for me was doing big circuits, then slowly bringing the heli around 180 degrees until it was nose-in. The calm approach of the circuit into the nose-in allowed me to practice all orientations in a way that didn't have me in a panic!

Different strokes for different folks as they say!

[rudi]

And back on topic...

only problem is these helis (align Trex 500e) are a lot faster than the Hirobo Shuttle that I used to fly... I scared myself silly when attempting to initiate forward flight. I'm getting bored of just hovering so how do I progress??

In my experience, no matter what the sport (skiing, motorcycling, mountain biking, etc.), forward motion only seems scary and too fast when I'm not confident I can stop. So I took the same approach with rc helicopters, and made my first task after hovering to confidently stop the heli and return to a comfortable hover no matter what speed it is going at.

I just flew the heli forwards a little bit, and stopped. Then hovered around 180 degrees, and flew back again, and stopped. I built up speed and distance each time, and before long fast forward flight was no longer scary, because I had the confidence to stop when needed.

Obviously you need to know how to hover first, but I guess you know this if you're bored of it. You also need to be comfortable in the orientation the heli is travelling forward, e.g. left to right or right to left.

[MarkG_R1]

You're going to love the mcpx once you get over the initial twitchy feeling coming from bigger heli's it will fill you with confidence, Soften it up on your Dx6i to begin with, then start turning it up until its razor sharp again, Mine got me over my mental barrier of nose in with my 450, and from then on i was hammering it around, up until i started finding its lack of power for loops/flips etc annoying, then it was time for a 130x Still lovin that