My god this is tough.....

[Jez N]

If you can hover on the sim, then i recommend getting an mcpx. Perfect heli to get into flying for real.

Good luck!

[rhysduk]

Keep plugging away at the sim.. It will click its just a matter of time.
When not on the sim, now and again try and visualise the controls and doing a bit of sim work in your head, it should help you when u get on the sim then as your brain won't be doing as much work.
Buy a small heli too

[Nick1975]

+1 on getting an MCPX, I was using phoenix sim and flying my 450Pro whenever the wind was calm enough and to be honest was struggling big time, But bought myself an MCPX and then the V2 when it came out, That little heli helped me no end in learning good cyclic and pitch control and also practicing moves (flips, rolls, invert hover etc), Im now 1 1/2 years after starting this ridiculously addictive hobby finally at the point where i can do a full 5 mins of flying with the 450 flipping, rolling and just last night starting to invert fly without shaking like a nervous wreck,
It will come to you just keep on practicing, Believe me when you do finally nail it the buzz will be awesome

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[Sarah1097]

It is easier for you to just jump in feet first and go for it. Are you going to crash, yup. Did we all crash well yup. Will you fix it, and become more determined because you do not want it to get the best of you, ummmm yup. will you learn it after so many attempts, yup, and then you will laugh at the other newbs who can not even hoover yet. I never practiced on the sim when I first started. I put girl gear on it, and went for it. I had a boom strike the very first 3 minutes of flight, i.e hoover and it was shaky at that. Every body swears that learning on the mcpx is the greatest since sliced bread. I disagree because I started with a blade 400. I now have been flying about 2 years, and I can do some pretty good 3d now. I also fly a 700 and a 600 so I even fly the big ones. Learning on the blade 400 was perfect because it is more stable yet the mcpx does not fly anything like the bigger birds. If you learn you will just have to un teach yourself and re learn it. Is what I said true for every person, (no) but if you think your gonna learn a mcpx and then just go straight to a 450 class heli and be okay and comfty your crazy. That is like going from a 450 to a 700 in one jump. I went from a 450 to a 600 then to a 700. I was scared out of my mind when I spooled that 600 up for the first time. I was not so scared going from a 600 to a 700. could you learn this way, yes, is it the best well that is mainly personal perference as is mine.

[helimadness]

Ive been flying for 4 months most weekends and just starting to learn inverted hover. It took me ages to just get the basic normal hover but once I had that sorted forward flight and now some inverted started to happen fairly quickly. Every weekend I am progressing and come home with a buzz
Have you learnt what EXP is on your radio setup? I was 2 months in before I learnt about it. Maybe Im just a bit stupid but, Anyway dialed up 30% expo on the cyclic (dampens the stick movements around center) Made a massive difference to my hovering. Made it heaps easier.

If Im trying a new orientation and not 100% sure about the stick movement I just give it a little dab then let it center. If the heli goes the wrong way you have only gone a little bit the wrong way and can easily correct.

All comments above are very good. Like everyone says everyone is different but stick at it.

Good luck.

[BavarianRob]

but if you think your gonna learn a mcpx and then just go straight to a 450 class heli and be okay and comfty your crazy.

There's no reason why you couldn't go to a 450 once you have learned your basic orientation and circuits on an mcpx. I started on an mcpx and sim in January and now have a 450 Pro with which I can hover and do circuits. I do get the shakes but it is possible.

Practice is the key here, small steps concentrate on you hovering initially, then side on hovering and eventually nose in, follow this with circuits and you will be surprised how quickly you progress.

[helimadness]

I went from a sim and 3 channel coax to a trex 500 EFL pro. Put training gear on it and away I went. I try and stay a couple of moves ahead on the sim so the real thing only do the moves that are totally natural. I had about 40 flight no crashes. took the training gear off and after another 10 had a roll over on take off. I think because 3gx got messed up with vibes. Have done about 100 flights now and other than one heavy landing that stripped a tail gear no more crashes. It is possible and the 500 is much easier to learn on than a small one.
Saying that I now have a mini CP ( MCPX clone) and use that to practice my inverted before the 500.

In hind site I should have gone a Sim / 4 channel micro / 500. But hey worked for me skipping a step.

Cheers

[spudly]

Started with the msr and 120SR. Then moved to the Honey Bee V2, MCPX and phoenix. Mastered hovering and fast forward flight on the 120SR. For me the biggest training aid was the MCPX and Phoenix. Can crash often and 99% of the time pick it up and carry on.
I started in July 2011 and I can now fly my 450 in fast forward flight doing circuits and generally tearing up the sky. Can fly the MCPX with ease and can invert it and back again but still have a lot of work to do there. For me fast forward flight was the hard part to master.
When the bird flying at a reasonable pace and your moving in circuits you need to react to the various orientations without thinking about it else you end up meeting the ground. I have had many crashes trying to master this but these have trailed off now. This gets less and less. I tend to push myself so I can progress so I'm sure others may progress slower but crash less.
Stick with it. It will eventually click.

[Reality Bites]

Ive been flying for 4 months most weekends and just starting to learn inverted hover. It took me ages to just get the basic normal hover but once I had that sorted forward flight and now some inverted started to happen fairly quickly. Every weekend I am progressing and come home with a buzz
Have you learnt what EXP is on your radio setup? I was 2 months in before I learnt about it. Maybe Im just a bit stupid but, Anyway dialed up 30% expo on the cyclic (dampens the stick movements around center) Made a massive difference to my hovering. Made it heaps easier.

If Im trying a new orientation and not 100% sure about the stick movement I just give it a little dab then let it center. If the heli goes the wrong way you have only gone a little bit the wrong way and can easily correct.

All comments above are very good. Like everyone says everyone is different but stick at it.

Good luck.

I have been taking advice from a flyer friend in work. I noob'd the curves on my controller last night and added 5%exp but actually found it harder compared to the night before....weird.

[Reality Bites]

There's no reason why you couldn't go to a 450 once you have learned your basic orientation and circuits on an mcpx. I started on an mcpx and sim in January and now have a 450 Pro with which I can hover and do circuits. I do get the shakes but it is possible.

Practice is the key here, small steps concentrate on you hovering initially, then side on hovering and eventually nose in, follow this with circuits and you will be surprised how quickly you progress.

I've been sent links to some training videos which follow the same routine. After numbing the controls down last night i found things harder to hover, may put them back.

Considering i didn't know the first thing about flying 2 weeks ago, I've now got the sim and dx7 setup with an understanding of what the controls do and can almost "master" a basic hover.

I started With the bigger models in Phoenix as they are more stable.

[Jez N]

I have been taking advice from a flyer friend in work. I noob'd the curves on my controller last night and added 5%exp but actually found it harder compared to the night before....weird.

Er, did you change the controller expo for the sim? thought you were only using a sim at present?

Don't quote me on it as i have only used phoenix. But on that you i think you need to change the settings in the sim software and not on the Tx. May be the reason it suddenly isnt working right

[Reality Bites]

Er, did you change the controller expo for the sim? thought you were only using a sim at present?

Don't quote me on it as i have only used phoenix. But on that you need to change the settings in the sim software and not on the Tx. May be the reason it suddenly isnt working right

I did read another thread which said the sim had its own settings. It did feel as thought the settings on the radio had made a difference. I just think that I'd gt used to them being very sensitive the two nights previous.

I will have a look into where the settings actually need changing for the sim though.

[Jez N]

I never even considered setting up D/R on the transmitter, but have just done a little searching around and it appears you can! (live and learn...)

Anyway, try going into the edit heli menu and there you will see a circular slider which will make the heli more or less responsive and essentially is like D/R or expo and can tame any of the models.

[helimadness]

I have realflight so not sure. Good I deal to get used to change the way the heli flys. So once you go real if it doesnt feel the way you want it to you know how to change it.

Cheers

[Nick1975]

I have been taking advice from a flyer friend in work. I noob'd the curves on my controller last night and added 5%exp but actually found it harder compared to the night before....weird.

Silly question but you are adding negative Expo?? Positive Expo will make the controls more twitchy, also if your running Spektrum gear you have to put the Expo in to + ie +10% to add negative Expo, Confusing i know but i did it the wrong way when i first got Spektrum gear