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    Hi all, thanks for letting me join this forum. I will start at the beginning so you know where im coming from. Im sure most of you have heard this before many times. My Son bought me a 3 channel coaxial micro for Christmas which bought back a little spark I had years ago of wanting to fly RC helicopters. I know its only a toy and I know its nothing like flying Collective pitch 3d etc etc I have been told that a hundred times now, even quite rudely at times in other forums. All I used the coaxial for was to get used to orientation for tail in nose in practice and buzzing round the house, and did I fly it a lot, day in day out landing here there and everywhere. I then decided to buy a 3 channel VOLITATION 9053 from ebay for £49 to fly in the garden, it was a MUCH bigger toy, as expected I soon noticed that even in the slightest breeze I had to continually keep it nose in to the breeze just to stop it blowing away. Mind you I smashed this thing into the wall even at high speed (wind driven speed) so many times and it still kept going, so no disappointment there.

    I don't have any clubs near me or anyone to help me so im on my own, apart from any help I can hopefully get from here.

    Here is my problem, I then bought an evolution 180 (walkera 180d fixed pitch) and was I surprised that the rudder was on a different stick !! all my learning completely undone ! I had a clever plan I bought a 4ch Nano cx for £49 which had mode 2 controls, this thing was so so stable I could almost leave it hovering in the kitchen and make a cup of tea, BUT I crashed it on the first day and broke it because I used aileron instead of rudder at a crucial point due to 3ch habits and to top it off I cant get a new flybar for it as the whole world is out of stock :-(

    My next move was to change the mode on the evolution 180 to the same as the 3 channel helis, nope I cant fly it, all the reviews say its virtually a hands off hover, not for me its all over the place even in a sports hall so no wind. it literally is a nightmare.

    I have now decided to leave the helicopters alone for now and bought phoenix flight sim with a DX6i transmitter as I not only need to learn how to fly but also undo the habits picked up from the 3 channel helis, so I think im now on the right track.

    What I would like to know is have I set phoenix up right, I intend to learn on a blade 450 when I am competent on the simulator, I could buy it now but I would be too tempted to try and fly it.

    I have chosen the blade 450 from the settings and im simply doing hover training for just aileron for now. I don't know how to explain but I will try. I know coaxial will just sit there if you let go and I expect CP to be completely different BUT with say, a fixed pitch if you are moving sideways with the right stick to the right then let the stick back to the centre, although the heli will continue in the same direction from momentum, it will level out.

    Now on a CP in phoenix its different, If I move right and then want to level the heli, I not only have to allow the stick back to the centre but actually go a bit the other way to sort of counter the previous command, does this make sense ? and is this what I should expect, I don't want to spend 6 months on a flight sim only to find its wrong :-(

    Thanks for reading

    Ritchie

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    Hi Ritchie.....

    Sounds like you are well into the hobby already

    I flew my first heli in January.....coaxial, really enjoyed it, but soon found it too easy.

    Went and bought a Blade mSR X, which is a micro Fixed Pitch version and instantly realised this was not going to be easy.....

    I've got a DX6i and Phoenix, which has helped loads.

    Can only comment on this model, but the Blade needs constant adjusting to hover, which I was told to expect. It also requires slight opposite correction, not just control centreing, like you mentioned, to level from any manoeuvre.

    HTH

    Adam
    E-flite MCX S300
    Blade mSR X

    Blade mCP X V2
    Spektrum DX6i
    Phoenix sim

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    • #3
      counter input is normal if you over done it a little bit you also will notice once you advance a bit to hover will need non stop input (unless u dialed in helicopter almost perfect) and also in hover with wind on cp heli u need to keep adjusting the pitch

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      • #4
        welcome to the forum ritchie, dont give up on the evolution mate make sure it is set up properly, it is a stable helis when set up right. put it back to mode 2 check the swash plate is all level and the servo's are all working correctly then get used to this mode on phoenix and then try again with it
        phoenix sim is brilliant and will help you an awful lot, if you can find a local club then that will be the best move you could make
        good luck
        andy

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        • #5
          Welcome to the forum. People do help on here.

          The difference in helis is between coax and single blade mainly. cp and fp are very similar until you get more advanced.

          There is one fairly big difference with the smaller helis like the msr. They have the flybar set at 45 degrees instead of 90 and that makes them easier to hover and learn on as they self correct. But they tend to be difficult when flown in a straight line at any speed as you are fighting the auto correction.

          With the bigger helis, flybarred or flybarless, they tend to be neutrally stable. If you look at the rotor disc it tends to stay at the same angle unless you change it. So when you give left the heli accelaerates left and keeps getting faster until you level the rotor disk. You will have to push the rotor in the opposite direction to slow the heli down and then centre it once it has stopped moving.

          I say centre, but that is not quite true. When you take off the heli will move to the left and keep going until you dip the rotor right side down a bit. This is due to basic Physics and is because helis are a bodge in terms of flying. You soon get used to it.

          When you turn the heli quickly through 90 degrees it will move off on its own as well, due to the same sort of thing. With experience you get used to this and automatically correct.

          Make sure you are steering the nose and not the tail with the left stick. Rudder right should be nose right. Fly the big models on Phoenix and use as much rate reduction (70%) and exponential (25%) as you want.

          Many people go through a stage when hovering seems impossible. It isn't and it does come suddenly. It can take time though.
          Flasher 450 Sport. Assan GA250 with 520 tail servo, MKS DS450 cyclic.
          Multiplex Cockpit Tx, DX7, DX6i
          Blade 130-X, MSR, MSRX
          Phoenix Sim

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          • #6
            Thanks all for the replies, I just found out it don't stop at helicopters, I just realised my computer is to slow to run it properly so had to buy another base unit for £240 :-) runs like a dream now with no lagging

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            • #7
              Cheers Adam, its nice to get some pointers and feedback, well pleased. How does the sim mSRx flying compare with the real thing ? I imagine its a lot easier on the sim ? I will find out Tuesday or Wednesday when it arrives.

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              • #8
                The smaller helis tend to be not that realistic. The 450s are pretty good. Start from scratch when you fly for real and build up your confidence. Small helis are much more survivable than larger ones. Larger is easier if you can ignore the cost of a crash.
                Flasher 450 Sport. Assan GA250 with 520 tail servo, MKS DS450 cyclic.
                Multiplex Cockpit Tx, DX7, DX6i
                Blade 130-X, MSR, MSRX
                Phoenix Sim

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                • #9
                  I don't have any clubs near me or anyone to help me so im on my own, apart from any help I can hopefully get from here.
                  Hi Ritchie. Welcome to the forum mate

                  You do in fact have at least 3 clubs that I can think of not too far from you.. Eynsford, Ashford and Purfleet.
                  Search here British Model Flying Association - BMFA - Search for affiliated clubs by county and they may be more.
                  Ian

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ritchieme View Post
                    Cheers Adam, its nice to get some pointers and feedback, well pleased. How does the sim mSRx flying compare with the real thing ? I imagine its a lot easier on the sim ? I will find out Tuesday or Wednesday when it arrives.
                    Not that great Ritchie TBH. I find the real thing easier to control!

                    I tend to use the larger heli's on the sim for my 'training' ;-)

                    Cheers,

                    Adam
                    E-flite MCX S300
                    Blade mSR X

                    Blade mCP X V2
                    Spektrum DX6i
                    Phoenix sim

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                    • #11
                      Hi Ritchie.
                      The larger models in Phoenix are much easier to fly (and to see!) than the small ones, and more realistic to be honest - 500 / 600 / 700 size.
                      If you go into model > edit > there is an adjustment dial you can tweek from beginnet through intermediate up to advanved. Turning it down to near beginner makes it easier to fly.
                      If you go into model > edit > advanced > main rotor, there is a strange adjustment called hovering stability. Setting it to 100% is neutral stability like a real model and pretty realistic. If you set it to more than 100%, the heli becomes artificially stable, like a co-axial - easy to hover, but you won't be learning what a real one 'feels' like.
                      Good luck, the real thing is easier than the sim (IMO).
                      Trev
                      Lots of different things that fly

                      And happy to have FOUR shiny EGS

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                      • #12
                        Brilliant thanks :-) Found one on the site you mentioned, I emailed them and im off to Cliffe on Sunday which is about 7 miles from me so not too far at all.



                        Originally posted by chugga-bug View Post
                        Hi Ritchie. Welcome to the forum mate

                        You do in fact have at least 3 clubs that I can think of not too far from you.. Eynsford, Ashford and Purfleet.
                        Search here British Model Flying Association - BMFA - Search for affiliated clubs by county and they may be more.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dillwhacker View Post
                          Hi Ritchie.
                          The larger models in Phoenix are much easier to fly (and to see!) than the small ones, and more realistic to be honest - 500 / 600 / 700 size.

                          Good luck, the real thing is easier than the sim (IMO).
                          Thanks a million for the tips, I have just tweaked Phoenix to give it a more realistic feel :-)

                          Ritchie

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                          • #14
                            I have just got my Blade Msr x wow what a shock its so nipppy ! I have now learnt a bit about dual rate and expo etc and I have programmed the DX6i to be tamer with the flick of a switch. I know I have a long long long way to go but I do believe I have improved because there is NO WAY I would have even got this off the floor a month ago and to prove it I told my brother I was getting one and he came to see it and wasnt overly impressed that I could take off and hover tail in and tail out, I knew that would be the case, so had a cunning plan, He is struggling at the moment with work and he works extremely hard so I bought him a century nano SR Century UK Nano SR - YouTube as a surprise, I had already charged the battery and trimmed it for him (hark at me !) and put it back in the box, his face was a picture but so was mine watching him try to launch it :-) I found myself teaching him about needing right aileron when you lift it and he was hovering really well within 15 minutes :-) I really cant wait to be able to fly properly looking at some of your videos it seems far away, if possible at all that is.

                            Thanks all

                            Ritchie

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                            • #15
                              Really don't know what to do. I feel I'm ready to start learning on a 450 size. At my age I really can't see me ever being capable of 3d flight.when I look at the videos of the likes of the 450x its just a blur my brain couldn't keep up. However I would love to one day at least do a loop or a flip. Half of me says a blade 450 as they are proven and parts are available and also a bit cheaper now the 450x is here. I'm also drawn to the 450x any advice would be much appreciated.

                              I already have a dx6i

                              Ritchie


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