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  • Took Fastarse out to a field today.

    Did I say Fastarse (mCP-X) was like a hummingbird on LSD? Well, I grossly understated the fact. Add a 360 degree variable swivel rocket unit under its tail and that would be closer to the truth. A hummingbird on nitromethane, yeah, that's it.

    Have I said that helis are like wet soap on oiled glass (from simulator experience)? Oh yeah, got that right, too.

    But what FUN!

    There's a big field within easy (5 mins) walking distance of where I work. The ground is a little rough but critters (rabbits I assume from the plentiful supply of little round balls I found) keep the grass fairly short. I took Fastarse there. It's off the path and protected by trees and hedges so nobody can see or bother you when they are out for their stroll. The field is very big. Thank God it was! It was also windless.

    First flight I found it quite difficult to keep in one spot. I was hovering him, but I was hovering him where he went to hover - which was over here, um, over there, erm, up there and, oh, why not over here by this tree!

    Thanks to the simulator I was able to bring him back and I managed to keep him in my vacinity, by vacinity I mean anywhere within 20 feet of me and 30 feet vertically. My God can that thing climb when your concentrating on horizontal position. Start at 6 feet and next things he's chuckling down at you from 30 foot plus!

    After several flights and several controlled dumps into the ground to prevent further and worse mishaps occuring I was trying to bring him back from scurrying away from me. He was heading out of the field and toward where I know theres a stream. I dumped the throttle and let him fall into nice long grass. Except it was nice long grass the otherside of a barbed wire fence. Jeepers but that stuff has a tenacious grip!

    I'm walking toward the barbed wire fence thinking, 'please let him be just the otherside' repeatedly, but no - he was 10 feet the otherside and three feet from the little stream. I struggle through the barb wire, there's only a foot between lengths and I ain't little. I make it through accompanied by the odd small tearing sound here and there and emerge the otherside to proudly and confidently pick up my little hell-bird. O-oh, another round with the barbed wire faces me but it succumbs to my will (somewhat reluctantly, more grabbings on to me). Do the 'nothings happened' walk back to rucksack.

    Right, Fastarse is back on the deck and then up into the air where I valiantly fight to keep him in a half-mile cube. He tears past me, backwards (I over reacted) and as I turn I see he's heading for a tree. Dump the throttle and in he goes to the thin, spindly branches at which point he graciously falls to the ground.

    I recover the little (insert any expletive you fancy here) sod and decide to hand launch him. On spin up I notice the swashplate lifts and the critter makes a nasty burring noise. Then I remember what some kind gent on here said "Watch out after a crash as sometimes the main gear comes off the flat and drops". Sure enough, that's what happened (gotta love the expertise available in forums). So, I turn it and press it back on to the shaft and give Fastarse one last fly. I'm getting better. This time I keep him to below 10 feet (airline pilots are thanking me as they fly past) and I'm keeping him closer to me (still over here, over there and 'how about here?'. At least he's not 200 feet away from behind a barbed wire fence (although if I had my way - shakes fist)!

    I even land him properly on his skids and watch as the main rotor spins down to a graceful stop. That's where I decided to call it a day. I pack up and head back to work a happy bunny. Except, I hope to God I get better at hovering this hell-fire heathen called Fastarse.

    On the way to the field I was thinking, 'don't be scared, just get it in the air, plenty of room. Don't let him rule you'. Well, it almost worked.

    Oh, next time I'm going to take a nice flat peice of something to act as a helipad.

    Best regards.

    Vikki.
    Last edited by Vikki; 17-01-2012, 04:23 PM.

  • #2
    keeping him in a ten feet radius sounds like your getting the hang of it

    im sure in the next few outings youll be hovering within 1 foot the sim really does help aswell, its helped me improve a lot.
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    • #3
      I had a similar discusion with my heli when I was trying to hold an inverted hover. I decided to show it who was in charge. Determination is the key. You are making progress. Being able to hover it where it wants to be is a very good description. Only a short step to hovering it more or less where you want. Forward flight is easier than hovering. Hovering in a steady wind is forward flight and easier than no wind. It does have to be steady wind as you get near to the coast. Glad to see you are enjoying it.
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      • #4
        Thanks, Matt. What I did find was I was having to use much bigger stick movements than I'm used to on the sim. Might be better for me if I removed the expo from his profile. I was using very small movements but nothing was really happening until I used bigger movements and then things happened but by then he was even further away.

        Should I reduce expo on the tx to match how it feels in the sim? Feels like I should as I'm confusing myself at the moment.

        Best regards.

        Vikki.

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        • #5
          Sounds like progress, I fly mine in a very large field as well that often doesn't feel quite as big as it needs to be. I can say from recent experience that the hovering in a place of your choosing is not far away.

          Slight gust of wind (say from a bee farting) seems to be enough to result in big changes in altitude, I had tamed the pitch curve down for flying inside and taken most of the negative pitch (<50%) out. I found it helps outside to steepen it up a little a bring a little more negative pitch back so you can adjust for the random bee farts quicker. I ended up using the flight mode/idle up switch to flick between the two. I also played this week with the throttle curve for outside and set it at 100% for all but the Low setting, it seems to help with the response and made the heli less twitchy.

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          • #6
            I need a bigger field (you know, erm, just to look - cough - proficient).

            Thanks, Dave an CJ.

            Vikki.

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            • #7
              You could try turning the expo off completly and keep the rates low. I had a similar experience to you and I think the combination of low rates (30-40%) with expo results in controls that are too sloppy. Try the rates at around 30% and 0 Expo and you should hopefully found like I did that moving the sticks then creates an instant response but a mild response. This setting works as well indoors as well as out, I'm now slowly turning the rates back up as I get more confident and finding my ability to control it also improving

              Watch out the hand launches as well, I tried to hand catch (used to do it all the time with my MSR) and learnt the hard way that the MCPX has teeth, caught the end of my thumb with the full power blades and it made my eyes water.

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              • #8
                yep if your finding your having to use really big stick movements then yes drop down the expo, expo is used to make the heli softer around center stick.... remove this on your mcpx profile on your dx6i, dont remove all the expo as it does tame down the heli, turn it down until you feel comfortable with the movement on the sticks.
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                • #9
                  Good post, made me laugh! My bird is a lot tamer than yours (msr-x) but still manages to land/crash 200' away without the constraint of walls to crash into.
                  The repair parts turn up today after my last outdoor flight... I wondered how high it could go after venturing out just before it was fully light on a frosty Saturday morning, the answer? pretty high.
                  Didn't take long for that faint Blue glow to dissapear into the Black sky. No problem thinks I, just throttle back a bit (scans the sky for any signs) no, no sign but I can hear a distant buzzing noise from far above drifting towards the road.
                  Mmmm, throttle back off a bit more, slightly louder buzzing noise now but distant, as in closer to the road distant, and getting fainter again.
                  OK, shut the throttle off now, a fall of a few (hundred) feet onto frozen ground has got to be better than losing it to the road...

                  And then, there it was, the faint blue glow hurtling back towards the earth. I span it back up just in time for it to hit the ground with the rotors flailing and snapped off the little clippy bits that the connecting rod things fix to (sorry for all the technical terminology)

                  Anyway, sounds as if you're doing well taming fastarse, best of luck with him!
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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the advice. Very valuable to me.

                    Not going to bother with hand launch. Only did it the once but getting right hand to the controls felt desperate. I'll take a launch pad next time to put on the grass. At least I had no trouble getting him into the air. Spin him up then a positive push forward on the throttle and he flings himself into the air to about three to four feet (that doesn't last, he's a climber).

                    At the moment I find I can concentrate on only two things at once. If I'm concentrating on his horizontal position his altitude will change, concentrate on altitude and side to side and he creeps away from me. It'll come, just need to practice. But what a world of difference in attitude when flying the real thing against flying the sim.

                    My very best regards and respect to you seasoned fliers.

                    Vikki.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks, Murv, you too. Loved your tale.

                      Now I'm wondering what Blizzard (120SR) will be like in that field?

                      Gonna be ages before I'm ready for anything bigger than Blizzard. That's ok, though, I can be patient.

                      Vikki.

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                      • #12
                        GLad you enjoyed Viki - I think it was me that said about the main gear. Happens all the time on mine!

                        Re: the hand launching its an essential skill when flying in parks as taking off from grass is very difficult. If you just give it more throttle its not as desparate getting the right hand to the controls - he might just go a bit higher! Keep at it, youll get used to it soon enough.

                        I use 70% rates with 30% expo on DR 0 and 100% rates with 30% expo on DR1, I find that works well.

                        Just wait until youve got him zipping forward 4 feet off the ground with full collective positive pitch, the speed it goes at is insane for such a little blighter and the feelings electric

                        Also, add a little wind to the sim and make the changes i recommended in that other post regarding model motor power, vortex lift reduction, hover stability etc - really makes it more like the real thing i find.

                        Glad you enjoyed...Keep at it!
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                        • #13
                          Sounds like some good progress. Keep it up
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                          • #14
                            Thank you, Delarado.

                            On a side note: I am using the 'thanks' button but using Tapatalk from my iPhone just throws up a security error. Please assume that I have used it. I will try to thank you all by name as well. You're all wonderful people and I do so appreciate your advice and encouragement.

                            Second time I've written this as Tapatalk bombed to mainscreen during send, sigh.

                            Very best regards.

                            Vikki.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks, Rich.

                              Going to take two batteries with me next time :grin:

                              Vikki.

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