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    Hi

    Firstly hello all. New (ex) heli owner.

    I had a catastrophic heli failure / crash at the weekend which I'd like to understand better if anyone can comment.

    Heli was a new Raptor 50 but bought and build about 18 months ago by my father in law who is an experienced model flyer / builder. Since being build it hadn't been flown due to ill health and a couple of months ago I bought it off him.

    Fast forward to this Friday. Gave the heli a good going over with an experienced heli flyer friend to check the set-up etc and he gave it a test flight for me - all okay very stable but he thought the head speed was a little slow. All good and getting very excited for Saturday morning when we were going to the local flying club so that I could start flying.

    Got to the club and got everything ready to go. The heli guy at the club spend some time going over the heli and did an initial test flight. (edit. range test was completed before initial flight. Batteries were charged that morning also) All okay. Tweaked a few settings on the radio gear (pitch curve and throttle curve) and started the second test flight. This is where is all goes wrong.

    The heli was idling on the deck for about a minute when it suddenly start to pirouette on the ground, continued to do this for a few seconds and then went airborne. Essentially there was no control and it didn't respond to any control input. The heli effectively went for a 10 minute solo flight until it ran out of fuel and we later found it just over a mile away by pot luck as we'd lost sight of it into cloud cover after about 5 minutes. Complete write off as you'd imagine.

    The general thinking is that it had a power failure / unbound radio?!.. I'd be interested to know peoples thoughts to help me understand better what happened.

    Not the first post I'd imagined making but that's life I suppose..
    Last edited by vikingrs6; 18-04-2011, 09:30 AM. Reason: update events.

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    Welcome in Sorry your first post is a sad one

    We will need more info such as radio / receiver type to help.
    were Your receiver batteries charged ?

    A bit too late now but you should allways do a range test before starting / powering up a new heli.

    Sorry again and I hope you get back in the air soon .
    's Rachel

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rachel View Post
      Welcome in Sorry your first post is a sad one

      We will need more info such as radio / receiver type to help.
      were Your receiver batteries charged ?

      A bit too late now but you should allways do a range test before starting / powering up a new heli.

      Sorry again and I hope you get back in the air soon .
      's Rachel
      Hi,

      No sure what the model numbers are but will post these later. Sorry didn't mention on my original post but everything was charged that morning and we did do a range test before the first flight.

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      • #4
        Similar thing happened to a friends heli, the battery lead to the receiver had broken, same thing solo flight till it ran out of fuel then an auto to it's arrival spot. Found it after a lot of searching, only damage one blade and the skids! He was lucky...

        Sorry to read about your situation, not pleasant at all.
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        • #5
          Ouch, that's a hard introduction to the fun of heli's. Does sound like maybe the battery came loose to the reciever pack, if everything had been initiated/turned on within the radio settings.

          I don't think the radio tweeking had anything to do with it, if it was only the throttle & pitch curves being tweeked.

          Oh, and welcome to the forum/hobby.
          You can teach a man everything. Apart from experience.

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          • #6
            Sorry to hear that. What rx battery were u using? Was it a fresh one or old NiMH? Those NiMH batteries can tail off / lose their charge quickly when they get old / not used much.

            amazing that you managed to find the heli again even though it was a wreck.
            Last edited by Gav; 18-04-2011, 10:29 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gav View Post
              Sorry to hear that. What rx battery were u using? Was it a fresh one or old NiMH? Those NiMH batteries can tail off / lose their charge quickly when they get old / not used much.

              amazing that you managed to find the heli again even though it was a wreck.
              Hi, no not running nimh batteries they were lipo..

              I'd actually spend about 2 hours wondering around in fields looking for it and had given up.. My friend thought he'd have a quick look on his way home a literally just spotted it from the road side ironically about 100m from where I parked my car to go looking based on where we thought it would have landed. It was actually about a field further than we thought it would be..

              Think I'm more disappointed that I didn't get a chance to have a go with it, would have been happier if I'd had a go and just crashed it if you know what I mean. Looks like the only salvageable part is the engine..

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              • #8
                Sorry to hear about your first flight not going to plan what Radio gear you using, is it 2.4Ghz or 35Mhz, were you flying at a model club?
                A club mate of mine had the same thing happen, although his stayed on the ground making doughnuts for about for a few mins, so he was lucky, but that was down to a faulty rx battery.

                Simon
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                • #9
                  The real points are whether the 'experienced modellers' had set failsafe and checked it worked. If they had then the only rational explanation (as suggested above) is a failure of power to the Rx.. either lipo, connectors, regulators, switches or the rx itself.
                  I know with my Saturday incident why most if happened..although i have yet to fully figure out the loss of cyclic/collective control. You now know how scarey it is to see heli wandering off with limited or no control..especially if there's public about.. and why I am paranoid about range checking and failsafe checking before any first flight. far better to deck a heli than 'bruise' a witness!
                  PGK
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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the input.. The radio gear was a Spectrum DX7 (2.4) with AR7000 receiver if that has any bearing. From what I understand it looks like it was a receiver power failure.

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                    • #11
                      This was the flight path.. juts over a mile..



                      This is what I recovered from the field..

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                      • #12
                        At least it was recovered so you can start to check it over, you may find the fault

                        Time to treat yourself to a new kit
                        x 3

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                        • #13
                          I've had a raptor crash where the vibration of the heli, caused the +ve lead to vibrate between my battery and regulator. This lead to the lead coming away from the regulator pcb and then, total loss of control. Mine went nuts for 10 seconds and then headed to the ground.

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                          • #14
                            Bit further and it would of ended up in my back garden!!!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vikingrs6 View Post
                              This was the flight path.. juts over a mile..



                              This is what I recovered from the field..

                              Holy sh.t. Not much of that left. Glad you found it though.
                              Steve
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