Nose in

[davec_7]

Don't give up. I put my training legs back on my Raptor but before I did that I practiced with my TREX 450 also with landing legs fitted. Can you remember how you were when you first tried to hover nose out...? Well its the same, just be patient it will come. When you use the simulator there are no nerves or cost involved thats why you can do it. Can you get somebody to buddy box you to give you some confidence? I'm no expert just trying to be helpful but believe me if you stick at it you will conquer it and then you will be hungry to do something else and so on..............

Hope this is of some help and comfort
Cheers
Dave

[DarthMole]

When learning to fly nose-in I started by learning to take off nose-in, (because when learning to tail-in hover we all had to 1st learn to take off) as the transition from a tail-in hover to nose-in is where everything goes wrong .

I also found it best to learn to have stable side-in hovers 1st both left and right.

[asomaro]

When learning to fly nose-in I started by learning to take off nose-in, (because when learning to tail-in hover we all had to 1st learn to take off) as the transition from a tail-in hover to nose-in is where everything goes wrong .

I also found it best to learn to have stable side-in hovers 1st both left and right.

yeah, that's the way I cracked it as well , it just seemed logical to me, mind you I crashed and burned a few times!

Cheers,

[coptermanic]

Not sure I will ever "crack it". My flying skill has not improved in over 18 months. I have recently had 60 or more mins buddied up at Paul Heckles, mainly doing side facing and mostly nose in flying.
Yet I still cannot summon the courage to "go for it" at the field.





Anybody recommend a decent 3S plank????

[DarthMole]

Not sure I will ever "crack it". My flying skill has not improved in over 18 months. I have recently had 60 or more mins buddied up at Paul Heckles, mainly doing side facing and mostly nose in flying.
Yet I still cannot summon the courage to "go for it" at the field.

I find it difficult to go nose-in outside with my Trex 600, even though when I do it usually works out well, the transitions may be sometimes untidy (especially when going back to tail-in).

Yet I have no such difficulty with my Trex 450 and 250.

[supamansuper]

cheers,think i'm just going to stick to tail in for now.I can fly around on sim all day without crashing so am making some progress,couldn't move out of hover without crashing last week.Its just when I need to land I have to land nose out but i suppose its safer to land this way anyway.

[coptermanic]

Like most things, it is a combination of confidence and repetition. Getting some purposeful and frequent stick time will do wonders for you flying progress - it is exactly what I have NOT had this year.

Skip

[RafeyRJX]

Lots and lots of advice given....... the sim works pretty well, i found i learnt by hovering side on confidently first. When you've nailed that bit, try it to one side of yourself, keep your feet planted firm but just turn your shoulders and head so you are facing the heli. Any problems just turn your body back and your simply hovering side in again. Much easier to regain orientation and also remember that you cant just 'be able' to hover nose in. Build your time just like you did with a normal hover. so hover for a min the change orientation before you lose concentration. Keep doing this until you build your time up.

[RotaryOne]

Lots and lots of advice given....... the sim works pretty well, i found i learnt by hovering side on confidently first. When you've nailed that bit, try it to one side of yourself, keep your feet planted firm but just turn your shoulders and head so you are facing the heli. Any problems just turn your body back and your simply hovering side in again. Much easier to regain orientation and also remember that you cant just 'be able' to hover nose in. Build your time just like you did with a normal hover. so hover for a min the change orientation before you lose concentration. Keep doing this until you build your time up.

Neat option, RafeyRJX. Like that. We have some new members in our club so might try this with them.

[coptermanic]

Interesting way of trying it Rafey. Might give that a go, whenever the wind and/or rain relents!!!!

[anyw]

i just want to thank the op for bringing this subject up and everyone that answered, i have spent a lot of times trying some of the suggestions out on phoenix today and feel i have made a lot of improvement, this is a great forum thanks guys.
now a quick question if i may, what i find is working for me is lifting off in nose in position with training balls on, is there a way of getting the helicopter to start in that orientation or do i have to keep turning her into it first, sorry if i'm being a numpty but i'm sure your getting used to me by now

[DarthMole]

you could pick up the heli and place it nose-in

or you can throttle up some and use the rudder to spin the heli round whilst it is still on the ground.

[anyw]

im using rudder to turn at the moment, just taking training balls off and feeling good just got to transfer this from phoenix to blade 400 and i will be well happy.
how do you pick up the heli and turn it in phoenix

[DarthMole]

under hover training you can spin the model round so it starts in nose-in hover

[RotaryOne]

now a quick question if i may, what i find is working for me is lifting off in nose in position with training balls on, is there a way of getting the helicopter to start in that orientation or do i have to keep turning her into it first, sorry if i'm being a numpty but i'm sure your getting used to me by now

If you are talking real time flying then, as mentioned, just posiltion the machine nose in. If you are talking about Phoenix then click Model/Position/Change.

Firstly, change the orientation. To get it facing nose-on click the rectangle on the circle nearest to you.

Secondly, change (if you want to) the position on the ground. The reason for this is having and using a reference point. For example I prefer to use the sandbar. This is partly because the model shows up well in a wide variety of flying positions; partly because I like the sea, so sea shore is a comfortable and pleasant environment for me and partly, if not more importantly, becuase there is a blotch of green weed to the right of the default view, and reasonably close, which can be used as a reference point. If you can land on that point then just save the position by clicking on the white 'x'. Otherwise, on the positioning screen, you are generally shown three options. Click the one on the right, save it and then from that positon you will again be shown three options once you have once more selected Model/Positon/Change. Once again click the one to the right and continue the process until you have the machine on the green algae, and off you go...

Here are a couple of clips (which I didn't know were being taken at the time) showing nose-landings onto a landing pad. This is not to boast but just to give you the confidence that it can be done.

By Sam. 03/2010
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8D3JKhRUg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8D3JKhRUg[/ame]
Nose on landing.
By Sam Smith - 'Scale flight' 04/2010
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O648UOsXwUo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O648UOsXwUo[/ame]


Both these show a tendancy to overshoot at ultra-low hover so you need to keep back-stick on to prevent this happening. I am better at it now.

Nigel