Nose in

[supamansuper]

Has anyone got tips for hovering nose in,I've been trying all day on sim and can only manage about 1min hover.I can fly around but can only get a controlled landing with the nose out.Probably just need to practice more right?

[Mike W]

yup practice and more practice .. when the disc drops just move the stick the same wy when its nose in, like your propping it up ... forwards still forwards and backs still back

[gorber]

1 minute is a very long hover. If you can do that, then you have nailed it.

The best advice I have read, and it works for me in ANY orientation, is move the sticks slightly to see the way the heli is moving, then correct back. Just slight movements are needed.

[supamansuper]

Heres a stupid one,There seems to be a lot of room for error on sim is it the same in real life.

[challis349]

i think the sim is good, but out in the real world, its is different, the room for error, depends on your reactions, and how high you are, most of the time higher is a little safer as you have more time to react, although the disadvantage is that its a lot further to fall.

[trillian]

Heres a stupid one,There seems to be a lot of room for error on sim is it the same in real life.

I think in general the answer is no. That is one area in which the sim and real world part company. Somehow in the real world a heli can get out of control and crash much faster, things happen in a more unpredictable way and then your reactions are different due to being faced with the consequences of a real crash.

The sims are very good in many ways but differ from real life when it comes to room for error.

Speaking for myself, I know the issue with nose-in for me was nerves. I was doing it on the sim no problem and could do circuits and stuff but hovering moves turning nose-in got the adrenaline pumping and my brain started trying to think too much and then things would get wobbly. I think for me it was just a matter of putting in the stick time and getting past the nerves. Once you get to where you can swing it around facing you and not feel any anxiety is when you can operate with the same kind of reflex action you normally do and it becomes second nature.

[johnc150x]

Having been ok on the sim and then smiting my heli with a vengence on the first attempt, the sim is easy!

Might have been nerves, not sure but I will be more circumspect next time

[F.arch]

Walk a Big Circle

Has anyone got tips for hovering nose in,I've been trying all day on sim and can only manage about 1min hover.I can fly around but can only get a controlled landing with the nose out.Probably just need to practice more right?

When not learning on the sim try this:
Find a hover patch away from anyone else
Hover the heli start, from behind at a comfortable distance, then slowly start to walk around the hovering heli in a large circle, keep the heli in the middle facing the same way, You’l soon find it easy to hover with it at either side of you, then around forward a bit more, until your comfortable and so on, before you know it you’ll be hovering nose in! It works and teaches you to hover in all orientations without get hung up on just directly behind.

And practice!

[johnc150x]

Errr.. Hovering and breathing is a challenge at the moment. Walking as well? Good Lord man!!!

[themagician]

nose in

Has anyone got tips for hovering nose in,I've been trying all day on sim and can only manage about 1min hover.I can fly around but can only get a controlled landing with the nose out.Probably just need to practice more right?

the easiest way i think is to just follow the heli with the cyclic stick ,
heli moves towards you, pull stick towards you.
heli moves away from you push stick away from you.
heli moves to your right ,stick to the right and so on.
nose in landings,
as soon as your ready throttle down slowly ,keeping the cyclic following the heli,when your ready to land throttle off until the heli touches the ground .
try to hold the throttle just at that point, where then if your brave enough throttle up " quite sharply" following heli with cyclic,
your first nose in take off! it really does work.
good luck.

[supamansuper]

Cheers for all the help.going to go try some of these tips see if they help.If not I think i'll just have to settle for nose out.Or try a diff hobby.

[easypickingsere]

I was very comfy tail in hovering and both sides tho nose in always made me panic. Was at the field one day and Richie Clark took some time out and gave me some moves to do.

Similer pattern to the A test "T", take off hover tail in infront of you, then turn it side on and hold. Then proceed to go out to the right or left whichever way your pointing and get to where you feel comfy then hold the heli. Next turn the heli 180 degrees to get ready to go in the other direction but keep it there (just use rudder dont bank). Then slowly go over to the opposite side and repeat what you did before.

First go he had me do I felt pretty much ok but then Richie pushed me outside my comfort zone pushing the heli further and further away to each side. Holding what started off as a side on hover soon becomes pretty much nose in. The thing was that because I was concentrating so much on holding a steady side on hover I didnt realise how much more of the nose I was seeing each time it got further away. This was some of the best help I got, now can hover nose in without nerves and believe this approach really worked for me.

Hope this maybe of some use to you, good luck!

Cheers

Mark

[RotaryOne]

Always remember that learning to fly RC helis is largely a brain conditioning thing - as it is, of course, with many things in life.

So, yes, masses of practice on the sim. No, it doesn't necessarily relate accurately to the real thing, but it does the job very well on the training and conditioning side. My basic principle is that you crash on the sim so that you don't in real time. There is no 100% rule for anything, but this goes a long way towards it, in my view.

Once you have the conditioning well established on the sim then there are basically two things to remember. Doing for real is a Psychological barrier and nothing else. Then my suggestion would be to put the training legs back on - just briefly until you are reasonbly confident of hovering nose on - and then you have opened up a whole envelope which, again in my view, is not available to those who stay tail-on.

The second point is balance. That's not physical balance, as in blades, but mental balance so that you maintain equal practice both nose-on and tail-on otherwise that side can get out of balance and you might find you end up putting the wrong control input, even when it is tail on.

But there is a trap in this because it is not sufficient just to get the control inputs right nose-on, you have to get them right on the quarters as well (nautical term for 45 degrees off the bow or stern, for example).

Having said all that the amazing thing about the brain is that once you have trained it it will automatically adjust to the orientation of the helicopter.

But a little tip, if I may, before I go. Keep practising the basics, even when you don't think you need to.

Safe flying is happy flying.

Nigel

[davec_7]

When I was learning "noise in" someboby told me to push the stick towards the danger, by this I mean the cyclic stick only (the one which makes it go to the left or right) as this is reversed, Try it see what you think....

[coptermanic]

It is most DEFINITELY a mind thing!!! I have no probs nose-in on Phoenix with a 600 or whatever, and can run off 4 batts of around 10 mins each doing mainly nose-in with my little mSR. Take me to the field, start up my 600N and I can't do it?????????????????