Electric heli, outdoor use and lift 167g dead weight, ideas?

[monza20vt]

Hi guys have been a bit dormant this year but looking at finally getting out with an actual bird at the local flying club over the winter months.
Ideally I would like an electric heli that I can fly with a camera weighing 167g fastened to it in some fashion more likely be nearer 200g by the time I have made a decent mount etc. Also I will want to be able to fly it outdoors in reasonable breezes.
I currently have a nitro hawk sat in the cellar but parts are hard to find for it so I don't want to use that as the initial learning curve but rather something cheap and easy to repair to start of with and then a decent platform for aerial photography in the future. I have Seen the Trex 450's and the various chinese versions but not sure on the outdoor use of them need to read more really
Any advice appreciated or ideas for search terms as I'm a n00b to all this electrickery business!
Going to plow through the boards

[monza20vt]

Any ideas guys?

[spunkmyer]

Well not sure about how it will handle the exrta weight but the 400 size helis are a good starting point. Either a Trex 450, 500, Blabe 400. I think the 500 would be best to carry the weight but it costs a lot more then the 450 or blade 400.

Sure others will jump in and correct me

[st200ol]

I would suggest a Trex 500, or one of its clones, should have plenty of power to lift your 200g camera.

Parts are easy to obtain and reasonably priced, and they are easy to repair.

The batteries cost a bit more than for a 450 (6s 3000mah) budget ones are available too.

[unwind-protect]

A 450 should be quite capable of lifting 200g. Whenever I've measured it, they can produce well over a kilo of "excess" (over and above heli weight) thrust in ground effect.

A 450 will be more susceptible to wind than a 500. Nitros will probably tend to cover your camera gear in exhaust residue.

[monza20vt]

Ah cool thanks for the replies guys. Was beginning to think I'd asked a stupid question.
I think electric is the only way I will be able to do it and use it for what I intend to as unwind protect says there is the added problem of Nitro exhausts. I take it heli's are similar to fixed wing in that a larger size say 500 is more of a stable platform for AP. The Blade clones and such from Hong Kong are tempting but I can't help but think they are cheaper for a reason is there a happy medium as spending a fortune on a heli in the current climate will get me an earful of grief!

f I can get enough lift then the plan eventually is to hoist a gyro and RC controllable gimble which is in the planning and test stages at the moment. I know it's a bit ambitious but that's the way I work

Oh and also what sort of altitude can these mnodel heli's run to before you start to lose lift and pick up the stronger winds?

[Asid]

Hi guys have been a bit dormant this year but looking at finally getting out with an actual bird

sorry couldn't resist

[monza20vt]

sorry couldn't resist

Ok left myself wide open for that one

[Asid]

Ok left myself wide open for that one

[monza20vt]

Not wide open in that way Asid

[Asid]

Not wide open in that way Asid

[monza20vt]

Back on topic briefly, looking at these 2 clones on Ebay the "carbon Fibre" looks like it's not actually carbon fibre and would break rather than bend on an impact. I assume the real blade 500 cf is actually carbon fibre. Would the weight saving be worth the cost over a metal frame? Although the "CF" version comes with a metal rotor head and swash rather than plastic so would be more durable and less prone to flex creating a more stable platform?

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