numty question time

[ian6pot]

Still a bit green to all this but quite impressed with myself flying the little one in the house and around the garden.

But can anyone tell me the difference between a 450 and a 500,other than the size of course,i know i am a bit green but give me some credit

I dont want to buy the wrong thing:smiley:

[sacko]

Size and price

[kevinh]

size mate a 450 will run 325 blades and a 500 will run 430 blades,

a 500 is roughly double size of a 450 and is easier to fly as well handles the wind better, trouble is a 500 needs a large space to fly a garden is not big enough, where a 450 can be flown in a relative same space until you start doing circuits with it,

spares are not much dearer than a 450 apart from the blades

hope this helps

[Aidi]

250, 400, 450, 500, 550, 600 and 900 ... In principle they all work much the same. Its only the small contra rotators, or specilized helis (twin rotors like the chinook) which really change.

Most heli's these days are CCPM (3 servos which interact to control the pitch, aleiron and elevator)

Raptors use a 4th servo to control the pitch, but again in principle it works the same as the CCPM.

[ian6pot]

Size and price

Is that it?
If i was to walk into the shop with my pockets stuffed with used notes why would i buy the 450 over the 500.....or.....why would i buy the 500 over the 450.

Is it just the size or is there a difference when they are in the air?

[ian6pot]

thanks for that,ignore my last post i was typing it when the replys were coming in

[ian6pot]

decisions,decisions,

Space is not an issue as there is plenty of deserted grassland around here.
Garden is ok for my CX2 clone but i wouldent like to try anything bigger in there.
Looks like it down to budget then unless i am missing something

[Tosh]

250, 400, 450, 500, 550, 600 and 900 ... In principle they all work much the same. Its only the small contra rotators, or specilized helis (twin rotors like the chinook) which really change.

Most heli's these days are CCPM (3 servos which interact to control the pitch, aleiron and elevator)

Raptors use a 4th servo to control the pitch, but again in principle it works the same as the CCPM.

Stange Raptor you`ve got there.

[unwind-protect]

If i was to walk into the shop with my pockets stuffed with used notes why would i buy the 450 over the 500.....or.....why would i buy the 500 over the 450.

Battery packs for the 450 are about £30 quid each.

Battery packs for the 500 are usually at least double that. They're twice the weight, so you need twice the power. That's my reason for not getting one, at least.

[Janek]

Careful here, the guys have answered the question you asked, but they haven't answered the question that maybe you should have asked.

You mention your CX2, is that the only helicopter you've flown ?, because that's a contra-rotating twin, which is much easier to fly that 450, 500. . . .

Not trying to put you off, but you're unlikely to able to go straight from a CX2 to a 450 (or any of the others), without a "system reset"

Start looking at a simulator first.

[ian6pot]

Careful here, the guys have answered the question you asked, but they haven't answered the question that maybe you should have asked.

You mention your CX2, is that the only helicopter you've flown ?, because that's a contra-rotating twin, which is much easier to fly that 450, 500. . . .

Not trying to put you off, but you're unlikely to able to go straight from a CX2 to a 450 (or any of the others), without a "system reset"

Start looking at a simulator first.

sorry,i did not mention that,i have worn the sim out(not really)
I spend all my time on the sim,even in between posting here.
I am under no illusions that i will but a 450/500 and put the batts in and go.
The thing about the bigger heli is the cash is available at the end of the month so need to buy other wise cash will go the way everything else goes in this house,it will get consumed(i have a big family).I may not fly a new one straight away but at least i will have it.
I realise there will be a big difference from the contra but my radio skills are becoming better which i think is a big part of the learning process......am i right?

[sacko]

For learning id stick with the 450 as parts are a lot cheaper.

..but if money isn't an issue id go for the 500 (pretty sure jamiem is selling his soon)

[EtheAv8r]

If you want to go from a contra, and you are learning on your own without the direct assistence of of an experienced helicopter pilot, and you want to fly, and learn to fly and get better and make good progress with a robust CP machine - then I would recommend you look at the Thunder Tiger Innovator MD530.

[Orfink69]

For learning id stick with the 450 as parts are a lot cheaper.

I've got to agree with Paul on this one.

I recently took the step up from CX2 to 450 after a lot of sim time, it's a great heli but totally different to fly. I can turn the CX in circles, in fact tie it in knots until it's had enough and plummets to the ground

I'm now on crash number 3 after Saturday, was the best flying session yet, big big buzz, but got a little too confident and one rather enthusiatic landing later it needs one or two spare bits fitting thankfully the spares are reasonable.

To the repair shop..........

[Sesame]

There was a time that if you had said 450 or 500 I would have said definately 500. but now with the 450pro I gotta say the ability gap has closed up considerably, ok the 450 won't handle the wind as well as the larger 500(ive flown my 500 in some pretty heavy winds) but the new 450 is a very stable machine, ant at the price its comming out its very cost effective. batteries for the 500 range from about £65 to about £130 where the batteries for the 450 go from about £10 to £50, parts are alot cheeper.

The biggest thing you need to be aware of the cx2 can give you a nasty slap if it gets near you, both the 450 and 500 can cause serious damage so you will need some help in getting them setup so take a look for a local club get on down there and have a chat, well worth the effort.