How do you do a loop? please

[chrisebowen]

I no that I’m not ready yet but I would like to run it through my mind how you do a loop,

Can it be done in normal mode or dose it have to be done in idle up mode,
And what is the procedure.

It makes it a bit more difficult cos I can’t run a sim on my Mac, so it has to be done for real!! (gulp).

I will have to go over to Fast-Lads and have a go on their sim, and see if they can do the same deal as Leeds on a t-500 (Hint-Hint).

Regards Chris

[DT39]

Once your past the hovering stage you will need to be idle up really. Loop is done by forward speed then pull the stick back and up you go the just keep it there and the heli will go up over and back round you will need to drop off a bit of pitch on the invert part of the loop as well. you can get a feel for how much cyclic and pitch you need by doing the entries to a loop but turn them into stall turns. hope that helps.

[jboweruk]

You need forward speed, and when you try it be in idle up mode so that you have some negative pitch (full negative helps). Suggest you have some decent altitude too, as you need it when coming down again. It's hard, but most of the difficulty is mental stuff. I remember my first loop (still my only loop) and my heart was in my mouth all the way.

Speed, altitude and when you're ready, pull the stick back so the nose goes up, as you reach the top of the loop ( I used around half stick so that it looped, full stick will flip it), you should have the pitch in the middle, so zero blade drive, then as the heli goes inverted add some negative pitch to keep it up, then as it comes down so your pitch goes up again to middle, then to normal flying pitch as it comes off the bottom, if it's coming down a bit quick and looks like a crash is coming, then try a little more cyclic to bring that nose up level. If you get it wrong first go just try to do it erring on the side of safety first, then save the heli if you can. If you do it right there's no reason you can't keep the heli whole.

I did mine with the curve set for fulll positive and negative pitch, it makes those kind of moves easy. Just make sure you are ready to try it, if you can do stall turns, you are half way there. So once you can do a reasonable stall turn and come off straight and level, I'd say that's when you will be ready, but that was what worked for me. I admit I did have a lot of practice on Phoenix first though. I knew the moves to make, it was just a matter of doing it for real.

Let us all know when you plan on trying it, and make sure your first go is on a very calm day, mine was, dead calm, it was great. And I'm still smiling to think about it.

[chrisebowen]

Thanks for that, I think I will wait a bit longer! And take all the carbon bits of before I try it. It dose make sense to get a sim but I would have to buy a PC as well the Phoenix, and the pennies only go so far.

Regards Chris

[tourerjim]

As John 'jboweruk' was saying its a good way to start but to sharpen the loops/rolls, in ya TX set the swash mix to the max you can go without causing any binding, I have my DX7 swash mix set elev 72% aile 72% but with these settings you will need a high head speed to prevent stalling so I find to get a nice lps/rolls i've set my idle up 0,100, 100, 100, 100, if this seems too much you can set it to 0,90,90,90,90, ptch can be set to 25,25,50,75,100 this allows inverted lift so long as you dont reduce stick below quater stick.

[SparkleBee]

I was going to post asking the same question today. Just flew using idle up for the first time today, been flying stall turns in normal mode and itching to try loops and rolls now. May nip out at dusk and try loops if im feeling brave hehehe!

[tourerjim]

I was going to post asking the same question today. Just flew using idle up for the first time today, been flying stall turns in normal mode and itching to try loops and rolls now. May nip out at dusk and try loops if im feeling brave hehehe!

My Mini-T for loops ect is set in TX swash mix aile 85% elev 85% so you wont need to give it full stick to get some nice rolls ect but you will need a high head speed as you will need to give bit of mid to inverted stick.
Good luck.

[SparkleBee]

My Mini-T for loops ect is set in TX swash mix aile 85% elev 85% so you wont need to give it full stick to get some nice rolls ect but you will need a high head speed as you will need to give bit of mid to inverted stick.
Good luck.

OK, thanks mate. My tx swash mix is 65% for aileron and elevator, when doing stall turns it feels like the heli will easily loop if i keep the back elevator stick in. Im guessing rolls arent as easy as just giving it a good bit of aileron?!

[163phil]

May nip out at dusk and try loops if im feeling brave hehehe!

I wouldn't recommend trying any new maneouvres at dusk, as you will really want all the light you can get to help with visibility. Once the light starts going the model can appear very "silhouetty" and it's very easy to become disorientated

Best of luck though, and let us all know how you get on

[Jamez]

Get high, get fast, give it some back elevator, hold it there, it will go over, it will loose hieght over the top but you can worrie about that later, height is the key, you want to be '2 mistakes high' ( thats an Edders statement but oh so true ). simple as that, not too aggressive with the sticks, plenty of forward speed, my first loops were done at full throttle, full pitch, high and fast.

[SparkleBee]

I wouldn't recommend trying any new maneouvres at dusk, as you will really want all the light you can get to help with visibility. Once the light starts going the model can appear very "silhouetty" and it's very easy to become disorientated

Best of luck though, and let us all know how you get on

I often fly at dusk, the wind often drops off nicely round here then, although now ive put it into idle up, the strong winds seem much less of a problem.

[SparkleBee]

Hey guys,i did it, i just flew my first loops, read my other thread! Well pleased.

[est1976]

I did my first loops, back flips and inverted on wednesday just gone. I had a m8 video it.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MtpU9Do41c&feature=channel_page[/ame]

If you skip to 3mins 35secs you will see my first 2 loops, the first one I didnt easy off the pitch when upside down and the second one I eased off a bit too much.

[chrisebowen]

Cheers Guys for all of you replays, I no what you mean about flying at dusk, I went out on Thursday evening 5.45pm it was alright at first, I moved round for a minute there was some big trees in the background and it just went in to stealth mode, all I could do was to throttle up and hope for the best, it worked thank god. So we live to fly another day.

Chris

[chrisebowen]

I did my first loops, back flips and inverted on wednesday just gone. I had a m8 video it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MtpU...e=channel_page

If you skip to 3mins 35secs you will see my first 2 loops, the first one I didnt easy off the pitch when upside down and the second one I eased off a bit too much.

Very good how long have you been flying, Looks well.