Training Stands ?

[maderdog_1024]

what do you guys think about this ?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey1wMOVHSWI&NR=1[/ame]

[andylinney]

'orrible - get the training undercarriage on and do it properly...

Restraining that is gonna do it no good at all, Seriously there's better ways of doing it for certain.

[blackbrabus]

I picked up the needed kit to build this the other day and will be making it at the weekend, I only intend on using it to set the tail, gyro and trims up on mine.

could come in handy.

[maderdog_1024]

i was thinking about nose in practice before putting training skids on

[SparkleBee]

Weird. Whats the idea of that? Does a heli behave the same attached to that thing as when its 'free'? Cant see what that would achieve that normal training gear wouldnt. Or am i missing something here?

[blackbrabus]

its fixed and there for cant be crashed.

the two rods move up and down so you can hover it, but is restricted height wise.

[andylinney]

The movements on that thing would be quite different to a unrestrained model, that pole is likely to act as an amplifier making movements sharper than in reality, equally it can't recreate the 'lean' in the hover to counteract side thrust. You're right though about not crashing I suppose.

[SparkleBee]

Not sure im convinced. Does the weight/drag of the stand thing not completely alter the controls and trims etc?

[maderdog_1024]

like i said, im thinking it might be a handy tool for orientation more than anything.

i cant fly nose in so i was thinking damage limitation hehe !

[heliTV]

I would be very nervous using something like this - If the pole tipped over, it would certainly crash completely uncontrolled... I'd be inclined to steer clear and use the training gear - or better still, Phoenix!

Best of luck if you decide to go for it!

[terryk2000]

It might better used as a stand for holding the model while running maintenance or doing repairs?

[Sao]

'orrible - get the training undercarriage on and do it properly...

Restraining that is gonna do it no good at all, Seriously there's better ways of doing it for certain.

You're better of spending the time it takes putting that monstrosity together simming and learning orientation that way.

[andylinney]

What's springing to mind here is:

Take a long pole, plant it in the ground leaving 5/6ft free, put something heavy on the end of it and then give it a 'twang' and watch it resonate around, the changes in direction are very sudden and sharp, now turn that weight into a powerful machine that has it's own direction control and watch the two forces fight as the pole snaps in one direction and then the next with the flybar / pilot trying to correct it. In full size flight it's called PIO (pilot induced osscilation) where the pilot's reactions are fractionally slower than the actual movement and his/her subsequent correction is too much, too late sending the aircraft in the opposite direction with increasing force and frequency until he / she eventually looses control.

By all means give it a go but bear in mind that if it was the 'answer' then it'd be in the mainstream and we'd all have used it.

Andy

[philiphenderson]

That thing won't help anybody. You'd get no experience of lifting the heli off the ground and lowering it back down which is very first thing you have learn. On a pole you can happily bang the collective up and down without worrying about lateral/rotational movement or keeping the model level.

It can't drift so you've no experience of holding the model in place.

The video shows our worst nightmare in that the heli is just all over the place. I'm sure it'd give the pilot false confidence that they're doing well.

The very first thing that I would expect to happen when someone places their model on the ground and tries their first 'proper' hover is that the heli will behave nothing like it has on the stand. Crash!

Use the sim or take baby steps at the flying site like everybody else has before you.

Phil.

[maderdog_1024]

hehe,

so if i mount it on the ceiling does that mean its a good 3d training tool too ?!