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    What is a good hover?

    Hi everyone,

    I am quite new to this hobby and I have been practicing my hovering as this seem to be the first step.
    I am using phoenix simulator with the F3C box rather than the hovering training tool as I want all controls available.
    I have also hovered both my Align 450L and Blade mCPX.

    What I am wondering is, what is a good hover?
    Does it allow for any drifting? If so how much?
    How long should you be able to keep the heli in one place? 10 seconds, 1 minute, 15 minutes?
    Do you use HH? (I don't as it makes things easier!)
    In a nutshell, what are the rules and progressing steps?

    Thanks,

    Lucas
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  • #2
    Originally posted by bell222 View Post
    Hi everyone,

    I am quite new to this hobby and I have been practicing my hovering as this seem to be the first step.
    I am using phoenix simulator with the F3C box rather than the hovering training tool as I want all controls available.
    I have also hovered both my Align 450L and Blade mCPX.

    What I am wondering is, what is a good hover?
    Does it allow for any drifting? If so how much?
    How long should you be able to keep the heli in one place? 10 seconds, 1 minute, 15 minutes?
    Do you use HH? (I don't as it makes things easier!)
    In a nutshell, what are the rules and progressing steps?

    Thanks,

    Lucas
    Hey Lucas, there are no rules. People learn at different paces. You should be able to hold a hover indefinitely, maintaining height etc and good positional accuracy. From there you can go to hovering in all of the other upright orientations, side on left and right. Then I would suggest lazy 8's, get you moving around the field a bit.
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    • #3
      +1 on Waveydavey's comments.. Basically it's 'good' if you are in full control all the time. It's not critical that you can keep the heli nailed on precisely the same spot as long as you remain in control and can bring it back when it does drift. Once you can do that with the heli in 'tail in' orientation you need to move to side on (nose both left and right) then the one that everyone finds hard at first, nose in.
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      • #4
        Opinions will vary alot on this I'd say a basic description of a 'good' hover is where you are fairly stationary in all three dimensions (not drifting too much front, back, side to side or up and down)), always in control. As far as how good does it get, what is possible, just have a look at some videos of someone like Hiroki Ito (or really any of the top F3C pilots) and that is a whole other level of magnitude into the realm of stunningly good.

        As mentioned above, if you can hold a steady hover in all orientations that's a very good stepping stone to help in all types of flying.

        Really small helis will only ever reach a certain amount of steadiness, the bigger the heli generally the easier it is to hover. I also find Phoenix more difficult than real life when it comes to precise hovering (with the caveat that sims have one advantage in that you'll be much more nervous in real life).

        I don't think there's any super clever trick to hovering it just takes time and eventually it becomes 2nd nature.
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        • #5
          Looks like I am on the right track.
          My tail in is fairly stable both in the SIM and real flight.
          My nose in is horrible in the SIM, not tried in real flight yet.
          Having said that I have not tried side on yet. So will try that and make sure I am good there before moving to nose in.

          Thank you all for your help!
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          • #6
            Hello Lucas
            My nose in hovering took some time until i read on one of the sites to treat it like you are balancing a upside down broom on your hand and react the same....Helped me a lot...
            Regards Adrian

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bell222 View Post
              Do you use HH? (I don't as it makes things easier!)
              Yes most people would use HH mode on the gyro and i would set up your models with HH mode active.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jez N View Post
                Yes most people would use HH mode on the gyro and i would set up your models with HH mode active.
                I have HH setup but switch it off when hovering as I feel it removes the yaw control skill. Am I wrong or does it make no difference?
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                • #9
                  It's not something i ever worried about. Tbh, you have enough to be thinking about when you are learning to hover without having to correct the tail in rate (probably due to a less than perfect mechanical setup!)

                  I do understand your reasons for doing it, but wouldnt have done it myself, nor seen anyone recomending it as a way to learn (someone may well correct me!).

                  However if you want to learn with a little more challenge than todays FBL controllers allow, then get a flybarred model and learn on that. Every orientation is affected by the wind and you have to 'fly' the model rather than simply point and shoot like we've all got used to doing!

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                  • #10
                    A tip I found useful for side on hovering (I'm still learning) is to gradually move the tail round in small steps until the heli is side on to you. It's much harder if you go from tail in to side on straight away. I agree with the previous post about using sims. They are great but I struggle to do a good hover on them. I'm forcing myself to use it though to get some stick time when I can't get to the field.
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                    • #11
                      I suppose a good thing to aim for initially is what is required to pass a BMFA 'A' Cert in Heli's.

                      Have a read. https://bmfa.org/DesktopModules/Brin...Id=0&TabId=244
                      Graham

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                      • #12
                        Doesn't it also depend on what it is you're hovering? I've had a battery or 3 through my nano this afternoon and I'd challenge anybody to keep it still. Compare that to my 200SRX which I can keep within a 1mtr cube until I lose concentration. Soon I hope to get a 450l, I'll be disappointed if I can't keep that reatively stable. Or I'm talking complete hoop!?

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                        • #13
                          In my experience, a larger heli is easier to keep stable. I can solid hover through a tank of fuel in my Trex 600 in the wind and is relitivly forgiving but my mcpx is much harder to hover for a length of time.
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                          • #14
                            yep, bigger is always easier. My 7HV:
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                            • #15
                              Thanks Jez.
                              HH it is then.
                              TBH the tail does not drift with HH off so HH does not make much difference unless if there is a gust of wind turning the nose.
                              I have a honeybee king 2 which is a flybar heli. Its an ebay job and needs some servos so I have not flew it yet.
                              I will carry on with my trex 450l and once I can hover it in all orientations I will try with the honeybee.
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