Eflite mSR RTF

[honwal]

I am after a indoor heli to try and hone my orientation, what are your thoughts on the blade msr,
thanks

[SaneAdam]

I am after a indoor heli to try and hone my orientation, what are your thoughts on the blade msr,
thanks

The mSR certainly worked well for me in my early stages. Although it has since been updated in the form of the mSRX which incorporates the latest flybarless technology. Personally i would get the mSRX. Perfect for indoor orientation practice. You could also consider the nCPX depending on your current skill level and knowledge in terms of taming it to suit your current skill level.

I used to (and still do) spend battery after battery after battery pirouetting in both directions upright and inverted in my living room to gradually master and refine all orientations and stick stirring with my nCPX.

[honwal]

The mSR certainly worked well for me in my early stages. Although it has since been updated in the form of the mSRX which incorporates the latest flybarless technology. Personally i would get the mSRX. Perfect for indoor orientation practice. You could also consider the nCPX depending on your current skill level and knowledge in terms of taming it to suit your current skill level.

I used to (and still do) spend battery after battery after battery pirouetting in both directions upright and inverted in my living room to gradually master and refine all orientations and stick stirring with my nCPX.

funny thing you saying about the x I was just looking at those, and I have found a dealer not far from me who has got both on his website the msr and msrx,
will phone him tomorrow and see if he has them in stock, after reading about the x I think this is the way I will go.
thanks SA

[tomatwalden]

Agreed on mSRX rather than mSR ... less moving parts to break, and doesn't suffer from TBE. Only possible upside of the mSRX for indoor orientation training is that the mSR is self-levelling whereas the mSRX flies more like a CP heli in that respect.

[Nick_C]

My son learnt with msrx,not bad little heli,now he flying blade 130x

[kenny d]

Msrx is great heli for orientations , I was looking for one for a Xmas present for a friend , I got the impression they are old stock & maybe out of production now , so
I ended up getting him a nano cpx and dumbing it down

[myxiplx]

Plenty of good heli's out there, but I would usually suggest a nQX or nCPX, they're a little more capable and will last longer. The MSR and MSRX are great, but you can outgrow them pretty easily, and I think both are listed as no longer available on the Horizon Hobby website.

If you're interested, I did a write up of a few options here:
What should I buy? A RC Helicopter beginners guide

[SaneAdam]

Plenty of good heli's out there, but I would usually suggest a nQX or nCPX, they're a little more capable and will last longer. The MSR and MSRX are great, but you can outgrow them pretty easily, and I think both are listed as no longer available on the Horizon Hobby website.

If you're interested, I did a write up of a few options here:
What should I buy? A RC Helicopter beginners guide

IMO the nQX can't really be considered here. As it is not a helicopter. Plus if the key is to practice orientations then a quad is the last thing you want!!! Helicopter orientation is far easier to see because it is not just a square with 4 props on it.

[tomatwalden]

IMO the nQX can't really be considered here. As it is not a helicopter. Plus if the key is to practice orientations then a quad is the last thing you want!!! Helicopter orientation is far easier to see because it is not just a square with 4 props on it.

I've got to agree with this. I'm all for new trends .. only a couple of years ago I was in the minority of recommending micros to learn with rather than 50 size nitros using buddy-boxes. Now learning with micros is more readily accepted.

But, small quads (and, yes, I have one myself - a nanoQX) just are too different to helis. Yes, the controls are the same, but for indoor learning, I still believe that a sim is a better trainer.

This doesn't of course mean you shouldn't get a small quad anyway just for fun!

[myxiplx]

But for a beginner, what it looks like isn't as important as the stick movements. The quad is in there because every beginner who's tried one has come back saying they loved it.

For me if you're just starting out it beats all the micro heli's since:
- It's fairly cheap
- It's RTF out of the box (transmitter included)
- It's small enough and safe enough to fly indoors
- Repairs are easy (one less thing to learn early on)
- It has safe mode, making it as easy to learn on as any fixed pitch
- It has agility mode, making it a great CP trainer once you've gotten past the basics

Sure, it doesn't look anything like a helicopter, and visibly it's very different. But the core reflexes you are learning are just the same, and it won't take you long to transition to a helicopter from the nQX, especially if you practice on a sim too.

That's not to say you can't learn on a heli, there are some great micros out there, and sims are great. But most people want to start with something they can actually fly, and this fits the bill well for just getting stick time.

[SaneAdam]

But for a beginner, what it looks like isn't as important as the stick movements. The quad is in there because every beginner who's tried one has come back saying they loved it.

For me if you're just starting out it beats all the micro heli's since:
- It's fairly cheap
- It's RTF out of the box (transmitter included)
- It's small enough and safe enough to fly indoors
- Repairs are easy (one less thing to learn early on)
- It has safe mode, making it as easy to learn on as any fixed pitch
- It has agility mode, making it a great CP trainer once you've gotten past the basics

Sure, it doesn't look anything like a helicopter, and visibly it's very different. But the core reflexes you are learning are just the same, and it won't take you long to transition to a helicopter from the nQX, especially if you practice on a sim too.

That's not to say you can't learn on a heli, there are some great micros out there, and sims are great. But most people want to start with something they can actually fly, and this fits the bill well for just getting stick time.

It is not just about stick movements though. Those stick movements have to relate to something. Which are of course visual references on the helicopter as it moves in response to your stick movements.

My point is your brain has to work a lot harder to recognise the orientation of the quad. Wheres with a helicopter it is much more obvious. Tail work is obviously incredibly important aspect of flying helicopters too. Visually keying off a tail is very important. Quads just don't have those kinds of visual landmarks so to speak.

Just my opinion though. If someone is interested in helicopters, i don't see the point of a quad as any kind of learning tool personally. Of course it will teach you something don't get me wrong. But imo not as much as something like the mSRX or a nano

[Peteski]

I have to say that the nano QX quad has been by far the best indoor learning tool I've tried - sim excluded. It's simply more practical to actually fly it in a small space than any of the advanced micro helis. It's not that it's any easier to fly (in agility mode at least) it's just that it doesn't break anything when you crash it (itself or furniture), so you can take risks and accelerate your learning curve. From what I've read of beginners going down the mSRX and nanoCPX route, very few of them can actually fly them indoors properly. Only hover about a bit and crash a lot. Plus they seem like temperamental little buggers to keep flying reliably.

After a month or so (hundreds of flights) I can now fly my nQX in agility mode around the lounge, making banked circuits etc and it's great in the garden too. I'm probably reaching a point where I could now benefit from something like a nanoCPX. But it's the nQX that has got me there for sure without any of the hassles. That and the sim anyway.

[SaneAdam]

Well… i was doing sustained nose in hovers and fig 8 circuits around my living room after 3 weeks with the mSR without braking a thing when i first started. The mSRX is also extremely durable and can take most living room crashes fine. How do you know you wouldn't have done just as well starting with the mSRX? Have you ever flown one?

Anyway, i can only talk from my own experience. But i am certainly not one that you refer to that could only hover and crash indoors. That is a big presumption to make about peoples ability IMO. I got pretty dam good fairly quickly with lots of mSR flights in a relatively small living room.

Maybe i am just a bit old skool lol. There was none of these micro quad things when i was learning. Not that i would have considered one though i have to say.

IMO, the Op should stick to a micro heli to really drill home those orientations in an indoor environment…. micro quad benefits aside

[Nick_C]

Just had a fly around house with my sons msrx,flys lovely,very stable and great for beginner.nano cpx totally different imo,much more twitchy. Havent flown msr so cannot comment.

[Peteski]

Well… i was doing sustained nose in hovers and fig 8 circuits around my living room after 3 weeks with the mSR without braking a thing when i first started. The mSRX is also extremely durable and can take most living room crashes fine. How do you know you wouldn't have done just as well starting with the mSRX? Have you ever flown one?

Anyway, i can only talk from my own experience. But i am certainly not one that you refer to that could only hover and crash indoors. That is a big presumption to make about peoples ability IMO. I got pretty dam good fairly quickly with lots of mSR flights in a relatively small living room.

Maybe i am just a bit old skool lol. There was none of these micro quad things when i was learning. Not that i would have considered one though i have to say.

IMO, the Op should stick to a micro heli to really drill home those orientations in an indoor environment…. micro quad benefits aside

No, never flown an mSRX, but did a lot of research before deciding that the nQX was perhaps a better option when learning from scratch. Some people, like you, seem to get on well with the mSR as a complete beginner. But reading on the various forums, watching videos, reading reviews etc, it seems like many people find them frustrating to learn on. The video below sums it up perfectly for me (comments from 7:35 onward). The guy re-visited the mSRX he already had after spending time with the nQX and found that he could then enjoy his mSRX a lot more, having being frustrated with it first time round. I suspect that's what I would find now as I'm pretty confident flying the nQX in agility mode, which I gather is more difficult than flying an mSR.

http://youtu.be/F-5SZnfWOZc