considering the hobby

[5hane]

The nQX lets you do both though. In safe mode you can throw it around pretty quick even in a small room, which does wonders for your orientation and reaction skills. Then in agility mode it becomes a challenging beast just to hover and fly around slowly. It can get away from you in an instant if you don't pay close attention. I can't imagine a CP heli being any harder and certainly isn't on the sim. Best of both worlds for learning indoors and did I mention that there are no setup issues and you can't break it if you try?

I may well get something like a mSRX for the house next too as I like helis so much and I feel confident I could fly one now. I think I've already found the limits of my mCX2, but it's still fun to fly in the lounge and good for practising precise circuits. I wish Blade would make a FP or even CP micro with their safe technology. That would be awesome for indoor fun.

To think my first heli choice was the 200srx. Yes it has safe mode but I'm sure I would have trashed it by now. Very glad I went for the indoor micro before considering something larger.
I sometimes wonder what the pro's make of all the extra stabilisation and safe technology found in heli's these days. I'd hate to think it's frowned upon somehow. Hopefully not but I can't help thinking that a small number think it's cheating
Before you threw the quad into the equation, I have been thinking of going: MSR - MSRX - 200SRX

[Peteski]

5hane, I think we're both thinking broadly alike. My planned path was very similar MCX2 - MSRX - 200SRX and then several people suggested the quad as a wildcard, which turned out to be a great piece of advice. Personally I don't really care whether or not pros turn their noses up at the latest technology. I think it all has its place. As an analogy I drive both classic sports cars without any driver aids whatsoever and modern supercars with all the bells and whistles. They are all fun and challenging to drive in different ways and there are no right or wrong choices.

One of the reasons I finally decided to take up the hobby is because of the newer tech making them easier to fly. Frankly I was put off years ago by the daunting learning curve and almost inevitable expensive and time consuming crashfest. I think you had to be seriously committed whereas now I think it's possible to consider it as a slightly more casual hobby - although I think I'm in it for the long haul now.

One thing I've learnt from the little quad (and watching videos of beginners attempting to fly micro CP helis) is that micros, more than anything else, really benefit from the latest stability control systems. The Nano QX flies like a dream around the house in stability mode, but is simply too sensitive with the stabilisation switched off. I can hover it and move it around slowly (which is great for skill development), but anything more than that is just too difficult to enjoy. It's like trying to control an angry wasp. I'm sure if I devoted my entire life to it I could learn fly it much better without any stability aids, but then I also have a normal life to lead

How long before Blade release a "safe" version of the Nano CPX? I'd buy that in an instant for indoor use. Otherwise I just see it as a beginner unfriendly nervous little micro. The nearest I can see to this ideal at the present time is the Nano QX.

[5hane]

5hane, I think we're both thinking broadly alike. My planned path was very similar MCX2 - MSRX - 200SRX and then several people suggested the quad as a wildcard, which turned out to be a great piece of advice. Personally I don't really care whether or not pros turn their noses up at the latest technology. I think it all has its place. As an analogy I drive both classic sports cars without any driver aids whatsoever and modern supercars with all the bells and whistles. They are all fun and challenging to drive in different ways and there are no right or wrong choices.

One of the reasons I finally decided to take up the hobby is because of the newer tech making them easier to fly. Frankly I was put off years ago by the daunting learning curve and almost inevitable expensive and time consuming crashfest. I think you had to be seriously committed whereas now I think it's possible to consider it as a slightly more casual hobby - although I think I'm in it for the long haul now.

One thing I've learnt from the little quad (and watching videos of beginners attempting to fly micro CP helis) is that micros, more than anything else, really benefit from the latest stability control systems. The Nano QX flies like a dream around the house in stability mode, but is simply too sensitive with the stabilisation switched off. I can hover it and move it around slowly (which is great for skill development), but anything more than that is just too difficult to enjoy. It's like trying to control an angry wasp. I'm sure if I devoted my entire life to it I could learn fly it much better without any stability aids, but then I also have a normal life to lead

How long before Blade release a "safe" version of the Nano CPX? I'd buy that in an instant for indoor use. Otherwise I just see it as a beginner unfriendly nervous little micro. The nearest I can see to this ideal at the present time is the Nano QX.

Good analogy. I first dabbled with RC heli's around 10 years ago. I think I started out on the right route: Visited a local club where they allowed me to try and hover a nitro raptor fitted with training gear. The TX I borrowed was connected to another TX so that someone was ready take control. I never really had much control but it was exciting none the less. I then bought an electric Honeybee heli, but I quickly became frustrated with it and never really got off the ground. The Honeybee soon found its way onto eBay and that was the end of that. This time around I'm having a bit more success using the MSR, DX6i & sim having picked up the great advice in this forum.

[5hane]

As Holst sais - get comfortable tail in. Once you find you can hover comfortably around the room and save yourself when you make a wrong move that's the time to try different orientations. I have been doing at least 15mins a day of 'slow pirouettes' on the sim since Deccember and can now recover from any direction although I will still return to tail in in an emergency to avoid a crash (I am still much quicker tail in).

Just ordered the bargain priced MSRX and a couple more lipos. Do you know if it's the same set up as the MSR on the DX6I?
Unlike the very useful Horizon YouTube video which explains the MSR - DX6i, here: http://goo.gl/FA7cmP , I cannot find a Horizon video for MSRX - DX6i setup, apart from a shakey unconvincing unboxing/binding vid.
Also, I am still not sure why it was suggested in the Horizon MSR - DX6i binding video, that you should have the throttle trim set to the lowest point. It worked fine though. I don't see the same thing suggested for the MSRX settings.

[tomatwalden]

Setup for (flybarless) mSRX will be different. Manual here : http://www.bladehelis.com/ProdInfo/F...-Manual_EN.pdf

[5hane]

Setup for (flybarless) mSRX will be different. Manual here : http://www.bladehelis.com/ProdInfo/F...-Manual_EN.pdf

Thank you Tom. Glad you posted that as I was about to attempt this complicated looking procedure: www How to Bind and Trim the E-flite Blade mSR X Helicopter to the Spektrum DX6i Transmitter
He had even suggested heli mode instead of acro mode (recommended by Horizon) for some reason??

[Peteski]

Just ordered the bargain priced MSRX

Be interested to hear how you get on. Where did you order it from? I see they're getting thin on the ground now.

[5hane]

Be interested to hear how you get on. Where did you order it from? I see they're getting thin on the ground now.

Hi. It looked like a bargain to me anyway: E-Flite Blade mSRX - BNF Basic - Instock Now

Yes will definitely let you know.
I'm suddenly starting to get a better feel of things with the MSR. I'm confidently hovering with the tail facing me (is that tail-in?), as well as hovering at 45 and 90 deg (tail facing left). Tail facing right is a little trickier. It's just a case of getting used to the controls being reversed as I change direction. I am certainly crashing less too.
If it wasn't for the TBE I think I would be able to learn quicker, enter the MSRX. Although I don't expect it to be that easy to start with from what I've been reading.
Looking forward to trying it though.

[Peteski]

I almost bought an mSRX from there too the other day, does look a good deal. Decided to stick with the nQX for now though. After a lot of practice I can hover it in all orientations pretty confidently with all the stability aids switched off. Finding it even easier on the sim, so guess it's working. I'd really like to get an advanced micro heli too, but they seem a bit hit or miss out of the box. Hope you get a good one!

[Bluenose75]

I almost bought an mSRX from there too the other day, does look a good deal. Decided to stick with the nQX for now though. After a lot of practice I can hover it in all orientations pretty confidently with all the stability aids switched off. Finding it even easier on the sim, so guess it's working. I'd really like to get an advanced micro heli too, but they seem a bit hit or miss out of the box. Hope you get a good one!

I need to tame the Nano QX I'm finding it tricky!

[Bluenose75]

I looked at the mSRX but I thought it was discontinued and was worried about spares? is it?

[Peteski]

I looked at the mSRX but I thought it was discontinued and was worried about spares? is it?

Yes it is discontinued, but plenty of spares around and probably will be for the sort of life expectancy you could expect. Not many new ones left in stock though now, only the link above from well known suppliers. But I think I'm going to give the mSRX a miss and concentrate on the sim + nQX. Still enjoying my mCX2 too, it's good for flying tight circuits and spot landings etc.

[Peteski]

I need to tame the Nano QX I'm finding it tricky!

In agility mode I have mine at 70% Rate and 20% Expo for elevator and aileron and 100%/10% for rudder. In stability mode I have 100% Rate on everything and 20% expo for indoors, 0% outdoors. Still sensitive, but flies great on these settings. I find if you dial in too much expo it becomes too slow to react to inputs and you end up over-correcting. But 20% seems a good compromise for indoor flying. I keep the rudder at 100% rate because it doesn't actually piro that quick anyway and is the same piro rate in both modes.

Although you can tame down the settings, you have to remember that the physics of the model doesn't change, it is super featherweight and actually needs a pretty sharp response to keep on top of it.

[Bluenose75]

In agility mode I have mine at 70% Rate and 20% Expo for elevator and aileron and 100%/10% for rudder. In stability mode I have 100% Rate on everything and 20% expo for indoors, 0% outdoors. Still sensitive, but flies great on these settings. I find if you dial in too much expo it becomes too slow to react to inputs and you end up over-correcting. But 20% seems a good compromise for indoor flying. I keep the rudder at 100% rate because it doesn't actually piro that quick anyway and is the same piro rate in both modes.

Although you can tame down the settings, you have to remember that the physics of the model doesn't change, it is super featherweight and actually needs a pretty sharp response to keep on top of it.

Thanks I will have a play, I have to admit I have no real idea what they all mean but I will try the settings and Google what they all mean for the Dx6i

Cheers

[Peteski]

Thanks I will have a play, I have to admit I have no real idea what they all mean but I will try the settings and Google what they all mean for the Dx6i

Cheers

I found it easier to understand by just looking at the graphs on the radio when playing with the D/R & Expo values. Rate (D/R) just limits the maximum servo travel (or in the case of the nQX limits maximum pitch and roll rates) and the Expo basically just reduces stick sensitivity around the centre point, but keeps the same maximum rates i.e. the rate ramps up as you move the stick more.